10/03/2013 07:59 PMI'm going to have to disappoint you. This is not something that is spelled out anywhere,
Posted by Chris
10/03/2013 07:59 PMThe closest to a direct and undeniably canon statement is going to be the Book of Cain quote I linked.
Posted by Chris
The quote you're referring to mentions worlds created by angels alone with the stone and worlds created by demons alone with the stone, and likewise governed by them alone. Said worlds didn't prosper. None of the worlds currently in existence (those we know of, at least) match those criteria. Sanctuary was created by an angel (and his followers, not all of whom were angels) but is currently governed by men. Hell was created from Tathamet, not by demons or angels. Heaven was created from Anu, not by demons or angels. Pandemonium was a result of the battle between Anu and Tathamet, and thus was not created by demons or angels.
The worlds you're mentioning didn't prosper , and were "doomed to wither and die", but they were creations of the worldstone. The only realm that we know of that is a creation of the worldstone is Sanctuary, and the angels likely won't be able to dominate it. Even if they could, men are a product of angels and demons, and thus would never be purely angelic, so it would never be a world of perfect order.
To sum it up:
Your conclusion is that one of these three must occur:
1.) Hell must regain power to make it equal to Heaven.
2.) Heaven must fall and Hell must not regain power.
3.) Heaven remains in power and creation ceases to exist.
The thing is, that's incorrect. The following could occur:
1.) Heaven and Sanctuary form an alliance, with both sides maintaining sovereignty.
2.) Heaven and Sanctuary form an alliance, with Sanctuary leading, but not leading to the fall of Heaven.
Your premises do not support your conclusion. Even if we say angels will rule everything, the worlds that "didn't prosper" were worldstone creations. Only 1/4 of the worlds we're talking about now are worldstone creations.
Like I was telling my friend last night, I like your theory, but it isn't grounded in lore. On top of that, you're ignoring obvious possibilities. You said "there will come a point where humanity is undeniably stronger than Heaven, and a fight would end in Heaven's annihilation". That's not necessarily true. The Nephalem, soon to be far stronger than the angels, could defeat them without annihilating the Heavenly Host. That's a benefit of being significantly stronger than your opponent: you can leave them alive if you so choose.
I've read the Sin War Trilogy, and I know what Zoltun Kulle thought. I don't see anything that supports your theory.
If you have any actual data backing up your conclusions, provide it. I'm not asking you to say
"the lore support it", I'm asking you to show us
the lore that supports it. Show us where the lore says "the Eternal Conflict is necessary for creation to exist
." Not to be balanced, but to exist. Not to prosper, but to exist. You've shown us parts
of Creation that all have one thing in common
(a thing they don't share with other parts of Creation) that withered and died. You've said "If Heaven is kept unchecked, they will eventually end everything.
" Show us the lore that supports that "everything". Explain how it is that you can prove the Eternal Conflict is the reason Hell and the High Heavens still exist (realms dominated by a certain faction with certain ideals), as opposed to them still existing because they are fundamentally different from Worldstone creations.