WoW pvp by most metrics is considered a joke by other gamers
It is now...... It's why I quit. It's no longer an mmo.
Tell you what though, it was real fun while it lasted.
Same deal with the Diablo series.
The only glory days I ever heard from WoW pvp was just during TBC which was quite short lived. Even then I don't think that pvp really matched some of the sandbox MMO's out there. Head to some MMO forums and those people who play exclusive pvp based MMO's will let you know what they think about WoW PvP during the TBC era. It's not exactly pleasant lol.
Lol. Actually, it's directly responsible for the most popular and played esports today.
Yea that is true to an extent. WC 1 and 2 made RTS games more popular, but SC1 is what really pushed the boundaries into what a good RTS game can do. WC3 didn't do so well in box sales and has a smaller following now than SC1 has. And WC3 is newer.
WC set the foundation, but SC1-2 made it legitimate.
That's like saying Diablo hc, well... I never hear that get mentioned outside of hc diablo fans.
pvp is what made hc fun.
hc is what made diablo fun.
online player on player interactions is what makes this genre fun, diablo was a hostile playscape and it was the other players, not the pve, that created this immersion.
Well to be fair, Diablo HC isn't exactly original. There are games with a 1 death = game over mechanic, so if nothing else when people mention hard games with that sort of mechanic, you could say that they are lumping Diablo HC into the mix.
I'm not saying that pvp didn't make this game fun by any stretch.
All I am saying is that when most people think of competitive pvp, diablo is pretty much the furthest game from their minds. Unless you are talking about people who have vested interest in diablo pvp