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[Guide] Wizard AH3 for Better or Worse

Arnt a lot of you like 40...i think so in that age thread I was shocked I was playing with guys my dads age..close...
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your aim is a little off, pretty sure there were a decent number of 40 somethings while the vast majority of players are in their mid twenties to mid thirties.
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01/02/2014 10:59 AMPosted by Boozor
I am very grateful for the success that i've had, it really is something that I can take pride in and I salute others that do it as well.


Do you take no shame in the fact you've deprived many causal gamers of upgrades they wanted to USE - just because you wanted a fast buck?

I think it's morally repugnant what you've written here and that you should get a JOB if you want an income, not exploit new gamers on a video game!
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01/03/2014 07:15 AMPosted by Wired
I am very grateful for the success that i've had, it really is something that I can take pride in and I salute others that do it as well.


Do you take no shame in the fact you've deprived many causal gamers of upgrades they wanted to USE - just because you wanted a fast buck?

I think it's morally repugnant what you've written here and that you should get a JOB if you want an income, not exploit new gamers on a video game!


I have a job, this is not my source of income nor was this game ever about income.

I loved playing this game when I was starting out, but with no real way of progression, this was the fork in the road.

Eat or be eaten, and this is the way that I figured out for myself to survive and continue progressing.

BTW it's anything but a fast buck, if it was so fast and easy, then everyone would do it and everyone would be successful. Its only fast and easy by people that invest their time/energy into figuring out the information given to them to make informed decisions.

Please explain how this exploits casual gamers, who will never accumlate enough gold through drops alone to ever acquire anything of significant value anyways.

Have you never sold/ bought something from AH? Using pricing from other items to price your own?

If you have then that you are part of the "exploitation" machine.

The game is built around the AH, as advertised, get over it and wait for ROS.

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01/03/2014 08:58 AMPosted by Boozor
The game is built around the AH, as advertised, get over it and wait for ROS.


I am over it as thankfully Blizzard saw the enormous damage it caused to the gaming community (13m sales, less than 1m still playing).

Not to mention botting and scamming and other deplorable activities that the rmah rewarded with paypal cashouts.

What we don't need is people like you writing 'how to' guides that essentially exploit new players and their lack of 'knowledge' and actually DEPRIVE them of the upgrades they need as they get to the gearing wall...

Thankfully most all players know about the PTR and the 2k weps usable at level 49 -http://cubeupload.com/im/5zkt0n.png - etc, so they now know NOT to pay inflated prices to greedy flippers like you.

You hurt the game and
01/03/2014 08:58 AMPosted by Boozor
Eat or be eaten
is a poor excuse for ripping off newer players. I understand that the game was designed to encourage AH use, and do understand your temptation, but suggesting that 'others are doing it so I might as well join them' - regardless of it's negative impact on other players - is just shallow and shameful IMO.

Thank God that Blizzard are pulling the plug on the AH and we are able to find our own gear by playing the game for the best items!
Edited by Wired#2524 on 1/3/2014 10:34 AM PST
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Hey Booz, remember me? Do I get a mention on this post = )
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01/03/2014 10:32 AMPosted by Wired
You hurt the game and
Eat or be eaten
is a poor excuse for ripping off newer players. I understand that the game was designed to encourage AH use, and do understand your temptation, but suggesting that 'others are doing it so I might as well join them' - regardless of it's negative impact on other players - is just shallow and shameful IMO.

Thank God that Blizzard are pulling the plug on the AH and we are able to find our own gear by playing the game for the best items!


Bro, you have got to be kidding. Take a deep breath. This is kind of a retrospective on how the game was played while the AH was active. It's more or less done now. No one is profiting from you. No one is coming for your guns. It will all be OK.
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01/03/2014 07:15 AMPosted by Wired
morally repugnant


Really? Morally repugnant?
I was unaware that a philosophy of virtual/gaming ethics had been written, argued and accepted by peers of similar superior, accredited knowledge up till this point. Please elucidate and enlighten us all?
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I think it's morally repugnant what you've written here and that you should get a JOB if you want an income, not exploit new gamers on a video game!


And I think it's socially repugnant to enter someone's thread and take a dump on the person. Don't like the thread? Then don't post in it. Did your parents not teach you any manners?
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01/03/2014 10:51 AMPosted by FL0Maxx
Really? Morally repugnant?
I was unaware that a philosophy of virtual/gaming ethics had been written, argued and accepted by peers of similar superior, accredited knowledge up till this point. Please elucidate and enlighten us all?


You really need a breakdown of why buying any item IN A GAME just for one's own personal profit is less ethical or fair or moral than buying it to USE to PLAY said game?

You seriously don't understand why it's reprehensible to hoard and camp the gold ah to monopolise the very best items, not to USE, but rather to re-list them at the rmah for a fast $$$ profit?

You genuinely fail to comprehend why forcing genuine players who simply seek gear upgrades to play higher MP levels in the game have already paid for - to have to pay real cash to acquire those items, just because of someone's GREED - is a bad thing, for the health of said game as well as those seeking upgrades?

Then you will have no idea why 10m+ of D3 owners stopped playing over the last 12 months and Blizzard finally decided to cul both of the ah's.

To be clear, I also blame Blizzard's atrocious itemisation for a lot of the issue with reliance upon the ah for gear, but players like the OP and many other 'flippers' who exploited the game and the lack of pricing knowledge by newer players, just made things that much worse.

And to go as far to write 'how to' guides and boast of their ill-gotten gains on a general forum, certainly is deserving of contempt and derision, in my view.

This is a game, that most of us enjoy after work and to relax, not a stock exchange and those who would turn it into a revenue stream by exploiting other gamers and broken game mechanics are simply not to be praised or have their deplorable actions condoned in my view.

Many of us over on EU have lots of giveaways and thread HELPING EACH OTHER with gear etc, and slaying the demons of hell etc, not ripping each other off as the OP seems to think is big and clever and to be 'taught' to others!
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01/02/2014 01:40 PMPosted by Boozor
My estimate for time spent playing is around 50/50.
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sure? =p
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Interesting. Wired, it looks like Blizzard is advocating your style of item acquirement in the next patch/xpac. Assuming you're happy with that, what other improvements or changes do you think Blizzard can do to improve on this strategy?
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01/03/2014 11:21 AMPosted by Wired
You really need a breakdown of why


No, I simply wanted an idea of how tall your horse was. You ride high my friend.
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01/03/2014 11:21 AMPosted by Wired
Many of us over on EU have lots of giveaways and thread HELPING EACH OTHER with gear etc, and slaying the demons of hell etc, not ripping each other off as the OP seems to think is big and clever and to be 'taught' to others!


Holy $h!t, did I just hear you imply that Boozor has never done giveaways or helped this forum out with gear, advice, set building, etc?

Because you have just stuck your foot in your mouth.

How dare you characterize Boozor as an exploiter when you actually know nothing about his history of being helpful and as a top member of this community.
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@Chucktaylur

My weapons master! Thanks bro, you were instrumental and of course I remember you always !

@ Wired

Your from EU, so this one time i'll understand why you are calling me out for never helping and contributing to this community.

I'm going to respectfully ask you to lower your flame gun and take a different view on this.

View it as information, to educate. For people to use as they will.

I am not promoting people FLIP OR GIVE UP THE GAME. That is for the person to decide.

If one does not choose to view the information as a way to learn how to FLIP, how about to view the information as a way to AVOID being "taken advantage" of. This is an insight into properly playing the AH.

If you feel so strongly about the AH and "flippers", I'd expect you to never sell anything on the AH beyond the vendor price and if you have, you are as "guilty" as you deem it, as everyone else.

How I do go around "ripping people off" ? - thanks for your accusation. I supply a win/win in most scenerios.

People pay what they feel is worth the price of acquisition. They dont have to pay noone is forcing them. It is not life or death for them.

And in terms of buying items for montary gain rather then use.

What if you cannot avoid to buy items anymore? what then? I acquire gold to acquire items.

This is a product of blizzard and the itemization they have provided.

They've provided the AH and were backing it, saying it was doing what it was intended which was providing a means for safe trading. Then 2 weeks later they announce its removal. Seems like they really figured it out ? Good one.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"
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01/03/2014 11:21 AMPosted by Wired
You seriously don't understand why it's reprehensible to hoard and camp the gold ah to monopolise the very best items, not to USE, but rather to re-list them at the rmah for a fast $$$ profit?

People do that on eBay and other public and private live and online auctions for non-virtual goods, as well.

Will you be calling someone out for sniping a bunch of toaster ovens for $5 and then successfully reselling them to people for $50 each? The guy is more or less denying others accessibility to toaster ovens, yes? People do this. It's normal. You have to spend money to make money. You have to make money to spend money.

01/03/2014 11:21 AMPosted by Wired
Many of us over on EU have lots of giveaways and thread HELPING EACH OTHER with gear etc, and slaying the demons of hell etc, not ripping each other off as the OP seems to think is big and clever and to be 'taught' to others!

I think you're unfamiliar with the environment over here. Many of us who have been here since day one (or close to it) have already gone through the "been there, done that" phase. Just browse through the first few pages on this forum. See how many giveaway and help threads there are?

Here are just a few from the said first three pages:

The ongoing donations thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10895829665
Countless gear improvement threads. Way too many to list.

Yoda's 12-days of Christmas event: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11041394755

And, oh...

Boozor's Christmas Giveaway: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10895829665

Yes, by the same OP who's exploiting and ripping people off, as you so claim. He could easily have turned his back on the job to grow 2b gold to more funds in order to build gear sets for other players. But no, he took the job and pitched in for the sake of the community.
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Edited by Jaetch#1861 on 1/3/2014 12:10 PM PST
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No one had to use AH wired. Biggest myth ever is drops were bad. Drops only bad if you look at other profiles and play profile vs profile. This games so called bad drops and initial hardness were it's end game everyone claims is lacking. You would take about 2 years to beat this game self found in initial inferno.

Anyway those who wanted it now,me included used AH selling inapplicable finds for applicable. Those who wanted it even faster used RMAH or flipped. It all good.

The players in that market are doing a service IMO setting prices, advertising, and delivering value to those who seek gear.

Not to mention Boozers (and others) having given billions in free gear Audi a famous retired wizzy who only flipped 2b+ high end items gave me a 500m gold WH when I could no longer make CM spec due to nerf.

*this is before i started flipping and was dirt poor with like 30K ekills and 100m in gear.

Anyways you sound like a commie to me. Not surprizeing from EU sadly we are going that way too.
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 1/3/2014 1:17 PM PST
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01/03/2014 12:47 PMPosted by Aimless
Biggest myth ever is drops were bad.


It is no myth. The drops are bad. There is no way anybody will ever tell me any different.

Wired, you have taken everything the wrong way with Boozer. I have talked to him several times and he seems like a pretty good guy not to mention all the giveaways he has done. There is little doubt in my mind that most people, if they took the time, would have found a niche in the AH. In the last few months I have found a few places I could make a little gold and really wasnt even trying.

The bottom line to me is this: I could care less if Boozer found 100 6CC mempos and flipped them for 10 bil profit each. If I would have flipped for one or bought one it still wouldnt have meant anything to me unless I actually found it while playing in game myself. So yeah, the only part about what you said that I can somewhat agree with is the part about people finding their own gear.
Edited by Hub#1983 on 1/3/2014 1:51 PM PST
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Yeah Drops were terrible they should have not have made drops revolve around the AH ever which Blizzard will never admit too but was obvious to all .

Aimless lay of the personal attacks please .

Buzz words like communism and socialism are for Republican rhetoric and a different board you can also look up out of control capitalism no better .

As for flipping in a video game who cares no one is hurt and you can chose to play a different game.

Now if someone heard a Storm was coming and we tripled the price of water as people rushed to your store then we can go straight to jail thx ;) but as an optional entertainment product let the free market reign .
Edited by LILSPARK#1354 on 1/3/2014 2:31 PM PST
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