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at your gear level and budget i think you could get more out of dropping rend for overpower killing spree for 10% crit,
moving hota to left click and whirlwind-Hurricane rune placed on right click dropping bash entirely for non fury gen build.
and change from sprint rune "marathon" to "run like the wind"
making you a hybrid Hota/WW build
you need 1 more ias to hit next breakpoint and then 12 more ias after that to hit next breakpoint.
easiest for now is 1 more ias like left ring upgrade to 9 ias with 5-6 crit chance , avg dmg and possibly crit dmg.
then rest of gold can go between weapon upgrading, and or better depth diggers. good str higher vitality and 2 sockets.
also work on crafting bind on account strength amulets for a good 8-10 crit chance and 60+ crit dmg
these should be your focusing changes for now and then later on weapon upgrades with proper stat allocation etc.
drop bash for Hota smash
drop warcry for overpower killing spree
drop animosity for Brawler
get rid of strongarm bracers for either a well crafted bind on account bracer with 5-6% crit chance
vit/res all combination or something similiar.
lacuni bracers is an option too if you wanted to go IK helm for 5-6% more crit without losing your breakpoint.
just get all rez on helm to compensate the change.
this should make a big difference on your dmg output and you will mostly just have to worry about getting used to playing non fury gen build and use HoTa mainly just on elites, and whirlwind groups of mobs.
I'm trying to build a WW/Rend barb for paragon farming, unsucessfully. Could use some tips.
Thanks a lot!
I'm was testing some builders but i'll try to stick to the pure build with WW/Rend and no Bash. Still getting the hang of everything but i'm already doing MP7.
Is the 12% movespeed on the ice climbers necessary?
Anyway, thanks again for the help!
Edited by Noan#1238 on 1/20/2014 10:06 PM PST
I suggest dropping your current helm for a mempo of twilight.
loss of crit chance for your budget but gain life % and all resists.
get 9 ias mempo and 11-12% life%
get a lifesteal skorn with 5.4% or more lifesteal and 160% or higher crit dmg
thus allowing you to get witching hour belt with 70+ all rez with 9 ias
then innas pants with 9 ias and 170+ vitality (no str on innas)
then replace wailing host with a untiy ring with at least 8-9 ias
this will get you to total of 42-43% ias to reach 1.67 attack speed while in wrath of berserker which helps on fury gen/life steal sustain.
after that change rend rune to ravage (wider area of hit range)
warcry to Wrath of the berserker - thrive on chaos rune
and if your going to be using a fury generator, switch cleave out for Bash, Punish rune, or instigation if your having fury issues.
Beyond that. i would direct you to http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10827932857 Where Anwin can assist you for Skorn build and playstyle. he specializes more on advice for skorn setups than i do.
IK chest with over 200 str and over 200 vitality
IK gloves with high str. and crit dmg
Thus gaining 2 set bonus of 60 all rez as well as dmg increase in overall stats change.
Innas pants with 170+ vitality will make up for ias loss on gloves.
your 4% over necessary ias for the 1.8 breakpoint while in wrath at the moment.
also replace your current WH with one that has 60+ resist all.
change rend rune to -Ravage
then change vitality gems in gear to str gems and upgrade all your gems up to what you can afford.
for further advice for skorn build and gearing i suggest you go to Anwins thread here
i dont know what your budget woud be but, my suggestions are the following if within your budget.
replace EF with better EF with .24 or higher on the ias bonus. open socket, and depending on what you can afford, lifeteal cheapest to get or crit base dmg if gold isnt an issue.
and use it in offhand
Then get a mace with black dmg (non elemental) for mainhand with
Next we will change your gear cause you need more ias and vitality
Innas pants with no str, get 9 ias and 170+ vitality
ik chest with higher vitality, try for 200+
unity ring with 8+ ias instead of crit dmg
and lacuni prowlers with 5-6 crit chance and 9 ias
you should have a total of at least 33% ias from gear with a .24 EF
but try to hit 34% just to be safe.
if you cant afford crit dmg open sockt EF and end up with lifesteal on both weapons you can also use a Witching hour belt with 70+ all rez instead of changing to lacuni bracers, thus allowing you to craft better bracers for a 5-6% crit ALL rez and possibly vitality BoA bracer.
and with 2 sources of lifesteal from gear you will change bloodthirst to brawler.
your build skills are fine but i wonder at the placement of them.
most would left click hota and right click whirlwind and have sprint on one of the # keys of action bar.
I think you should read a few threads linked in the Sticky thread at top of barb forum.
you should be going for a basic balance of
50k or more Health
50% crit chance with just passives and gear.
500-ish all rez
100 mill is plenty to make a viable MP 10 barb, and anything more you can afford just makes it that much stronger for dmg.
i would replace nearly all of your gear. i could work with a couple items you have, but too much to write at 1 given time for you to change/replace
Unless you would rather have me purchase the needed items with your gold for you and build you a gearset, then i need you to do some research on barb gearing and skill builds.
Thank you very much. I will try it out tonight and consult Anwin for further suggestion if you don't mind.
Hi and thanks for the thread, been helpful so far just reading. I started on the console version and have now found myself on PC. I've been working up in the mp levels(4-6 now) but am wondering what I should do with my gear to keep doing.
Right now I have a skorn on, which I bought as soon as I got to 60, but I usually use a rare mace with lifesteal and echoing fury offhand(+.25aps, 19%fear). Been experimenting with using a skorn but I'm definitely more comfortable with DW and want to try it more before I consider getting a LS skorn.
Edit: Have a 6% cold, 27(I think) elite, SoJ that I use for stacks also.
My 3rd passive is usually brawler but with the skorn I switched to bloodthirst.
I'm not really sure what the next step with my gear is. I know that my CC is perfect(just started using overpower instead of fury gen) and that my all res is probably to high. I just picked up a mempo and my gloves were self found but I'm guessing I can replace them now. What else?
As a new player my budget is almost non-existent with about 7 mil, just trying to figure out a plan. Thanks.
Edited by Jameson#1974 on 1/21/2014 9:37 AM PST
Hey I just recently got this barb and was trying to make it a WW/Hota build (more focused towards Hota) and was looking to upgrade my dps. I was told by various people that I should replace the sword with a axe/mace and switch the EF to the OH. I wanted to ask you for your help in balancing out my MH / OH and LS accordingly so I would be able to solo ubers / reflect packs. Would it be better to have a full out dmg + CD axe or mace for MH and use an IK belt for the LS or would it suffice to use the EF as MH and get a LS mighty weapon or axe?
The mace/axe with high base dmg and CD would give me alot of DPS but I would lose alot of APS if I were to replace the sword with a mace and WH with an IK belt. Also I'm looking to find the most efficient way to upgrade my barb (i.e not spending 2b~4b on a single item)
Here my currently geared barb:
I also have a 5/13/30/-5 cold dmg soj and a 274/80/2.9% IK belt.
currently my budget is about +/-2b
Thanks in advance for your help! :)
Edited by James#11516 on 1/21/2014 9:20 AM PST
You could use a few simple changes for now.
Get an IK chest instead of that blackthorns.
try to save for a decent pair of Ice Climber boots with 200+ str
if your going skorn route, you are 6% short on IAS for the 1.67 breakpoint.
non LS skorn id suggest getting innas pants with 170+ vitality no str.
with lifesteal skorn, of 5.4% or higher LS
id suggest the switch to witching hour belt with whatever all resist you could afford along with strength.
If you decide to go dual wield which is easier to handle for most, i can give you more detailed advice, but i would refer you to Anwin's thread http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10827932857
for further 2 hander assistance.
My 1st 2 gear changes would be
Witching hour belt needs replaced by a strong IK belt.
gaining you more all resist, lifesteal, and as a side note, 3 set bonus for melee reduction.
2nd, get innas pants with no strength and 170+ vitality
thus allowing you to gem str gems.
And yes EF to OFFhand and find a strong mace with a better or as good dmg range as the EF.
If you worry too much about what paper dmg says or worry about dropping tick count from sword.
your going to 2nd guess yourself.
Also your weapons will then be at the same breakpoints. Im sure your aware but i will state it anyhow to be sure.
EF .25 ias applies to both mainhand and offhand so both maces with be 1.45 attack speed even though the rare mace wont show it in its tooltip.
I read somewhere (dont remember) that hota breakpoints are so close together that you dont have to worry much about micromanaging your ias.
with a mace/sword combo your more like punch / slap / punch / slap.
and even as a hybrid HoTa WW barb on eliets/ubers you mostly will HoTa and then WW with sprint up to slightly boost dmg and fury gen.
also with ef in offhand you fear less often with whirlwind/sprint.
after these gear changes, switch out Warcry for Overpower/killing spree
and switch out Unforgiving passive for Brawler when regular farming, and you can switch to Superstition for Ubers for extra fury gen/survival.
I plan to stay DW, profile was just set because of maint and I couldn't switch back to my normal.
I'l look into an IK chest and if I get ice climbers, where do I pick up the MS(i'm guessing its out of my price range on IC). Inna's seem the obvious answer but they are expensive, especially with +vit, since i'll make up the str on IC.
Yo, so what's the deal with this amulet I currently have on my Barb. It isn't that great right now, but I'm thinking it might be pretty good for ROS? It has 98% crit damage, 8% ias, 41%mf, +56 AR and a tad of strength. Is this at all normal? The crit damage seems way high... Maybe it rolled crit damage twice?
Maybe I should ask this somewhere else. Just an oddity that I noticed.
Edited by MedinaTV#1267 on 1/21/2014 11:20 AM PST
Thanks for the detailed advice! :)
I mentioned that I have a 274STR/80VIT/78AR IK belt before but is that not good?
and if I do switch to a mace, I will end up with 2.25 APS. Will that suffice?
@InnerTurmoil Sorry about that I thought I left a response under the quote but it looks like I didn't. I wrote that I agree with how you feel and prefer DW over Skorn. However, now I am in the predicament of finding two decent weapons to replace my Skorn. The AH depresses me so much when I see good weapons costing hundreds of millions of gold. :(
Thanks so much for the detailed reply. I went and practiced the build with fury gen and it took me a while to get the hang of it. My worst enemy was my lack of cc. I took your advice regarding IK helm. I went and got a Witching Hour, and then took Bloodthirst as passive. Got a higher vit IK chest (gave up some str) and got a AR Strongarm (lost some str here too). I think I gained like 20k dps overall, but I kill sooooo much faster. :) Let me know what you think about my setup now. Thanks again!
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