Diablo® III

Crusader and Maximus

Seems like Maximus is one of the very few options for crusader to smash faces. But when you get one, holy ****, you really do. Elites flop in 2 seconds under judgement+demon chain. Very sad, that crusaders need particular items to be atleast somewhat close to viable. We still crawl behind the group at 110ms and solo baunties take forever. Compared to barb with perma 40% sprint + 125ms...

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I was really fortunate and had a Maximus drop for me minutes after hitting level 70. Maximus is by far the most OP weapon in the game right now for a crusader, I have all +fire% damage (90 total atm) and my chains tick between 6-7 million multiple time a second.

The weapon proc easily makes up 75% fo my DPS.

I haven't ever played a crusader without using it but am starting to realzide all the QQ Crusader posts are because ppl haven't been lucky enough to bathe in the glory of this weapon!

I would happily accept a huge Maximus nerf as a trade off for Crusader buff.
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I have a Maximus but i find The Mortal Drama to be better atm.
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04/01/2014 12:46 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
Seems like Maximus is one of the very few options for crusader to smash faces


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/stalgards-decimator
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/blade-of-prophecy
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/fate-of-the-fell
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/schaefers-hammer
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-mortal-drama
Edited by tictactucrac#2270 on 4/1/2014 5:36 AM PDT
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04/01/2014 05:35 AMPosted by tictactucrac
04/01/2014 12:46 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
Seems like Maximus is one of the very few options for crusader to smash faces


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/stalgards-decimator
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/blade-of-prophecy
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/fate-of-the-fell
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/schaefers-hammer
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-mortal-drama


I've gotten all of these except for Cam's Rebuttal, and Maximus has a far shorter time to kill than any of these. Drama I used to use as a swap out, until I realized it was quicker to just stop opening my inventory to swap (system is getting a little aged, there's a bit of delay opening inventory). My chains tick for ~8-10m, Torment 3 is a breeze, sitting on almost 1.1m dps ingame. Torment 4 is so-so, can kill act bosses in a reasonable time frame.

Really is bad that Maximus makes that huge of a difference.. Makes me realize how much work the class needs in general.
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04/01/2014 05:35 AMPosted by tictactucrac
04/01/2014 12:46 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
Seems like Maximus is one of the very few options for crusader to smash faces


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/stalgards-decimator
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/blade-of-prophecy
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/fate-of-the-fell
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/schaefers-hammer
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-mortal-drama

almost all of these have affixes that affect skills on cooldowns :(
decimater is on melee attacks only
prophecy - cooldown spell
tho fate of the fell when using no cooldown light rune is pretty good. sill worse then maximus
rebuttal is just bad. like reall bad. falling sword is crap
schaefers proc is worse
mortal drama.... can find its use only if you have Akkarat set and using rally rune on akarats champion. otherwise dat cooldown.

there is one more thing that is really cool - http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/scourge
sadly i didnt yet had to test it
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Scourge proc is really bad unless you have a lot of attack speed.
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Only way to "fix" us is to let us dual wield 2 Maximus'.
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04/01/2014 05:53 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
decimater is on melee attacks only

And ? use melee attack if you have this weapon and you're done ? The proc is amazing.

04/01/2014 05:53 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
prophecy - cooldown spell

Again, what's the problem ? maximus proc has a cooldown too. CDR reduces Condemn cooldown. Can't reduce maximus proc cooldown.

04/01/2014 05:53 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
schaefers proc is worse

Hahaha, that's a very nice joke.

04/01/2014 05:53 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
there is one more thing that is really cool - http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/scourge

Okay now i realize you don't know what you're talking about at all.

Saying scourge is cool and schaefer is bad, especially for a crusader, hehe. That's trolling right ?
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also, it is interesting to test 1h with awesome procs. that just melt everything on barb, like:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/shard-of-hate
need to use blessed hammers - thunderstruck to work probably. will do it in the evening.
do not have hight hopes tho, barb's ww is much better for this proccs i predict
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04/01/2014 06:03 AMPosted by tictactucrac
And ? use melee attack if you have this weapon and you're done ? The proc is amazing.

because tanking with crusader right now is just aweful. i would not like to tank with wizard wearing a shield, and so i dont like to tank with crusader. its just easier to judge and line up a demon chain on mobs then struggle in melee. yes for t1 t2 it is maybe similar. higher - f*ck it.

04/01/2014 06:03 AMPosted by tictactucrac
Again, what's the problem ? maximus proc has a cooldown too. CDR reduces Condemn cooldown. Can't reduce maximus proc cooldown.

maximus is like 80% active. stacking cd reduce is gimmik. and it is still a lot of cd and higher torments it definatly doesnt oneshot. and yes it is bugged, it often does not proc condemns as it should

04/01/2014 06:03 AMPosted by tictactucrac
Hahaha, that's a very nice joke

haha. ha

04/01/2014 06:03 AMPosted by tictactucrac
Saying scourge is cool and schaefer is bad, especially for a crusader, hehe. That's trolling right ?

watched a guy on a stream and he decimated with scourge. and yes, i told i didnt yet test it, because it didnt drop for me. if it is bad, it is bad.
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I have Maximus, Mortal Drama and Schaefer's Hammer, and I can tell you that Maximus is far and away the best weapon. It obviates the class really needing to do anything else. The uptime on the demon is so high that you can rely on it every pack of mobs, and then just fire chain them down.

I said this in another post, but my Maximus has made me resent my Crusader, because this one fire chain proc is far more efficient and powerful than anything my Crusader can do. Anything. There is literally no way my Crusader can out-kill the Maximus fire chain.

Schaefer's Hammer seems nice, and I've seen builds with it, but it requires you to get hit for it's proc, and you end up using a Blunt build, which requires you to stand still and spam hammers. Better to just pop some melee attacks, get your maximus demon, and Steed Charge thru as many mobs as possible.

Crusader is a busted class.
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04/01/2014 06:14 AMPosted by CaptainBlack
watched a guy on a stream and he decimated with scourge. and yes, i told i didnt yet test it, because it didnt drop for me. if it is bad, it is bad.

I have it with 44% and it's quite nice. The proc is definitly above 200%, I'd say 300%.
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Schaefer's Hammer seems nice, and I've seen builds with it, but it requires you to get hit for it's proc, and you end up using a Blunt build

No.. Hammerdin builds are bad.
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04/01/2014 06:34 AMPosted by tictactucrac
Schaefer's Hammer seems nice, and I've seen builds with it, but it requires you to get hit for it's proc, and you end up using a Blunt build

No.. Hammerdin builds are bad.


I agree, that's the problem. Schaefer's Hammer requires a hammerdin build, and that automatically gimps you.
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04/01/2014 06:37 AMPosted by Fives
04/01/2014 06:34 AMPosted by tictactucrac
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No.. Hammerdin builds are bad.


I agree, that's the problem. Schaefer's Hammer requires a hammerdin build, and that automatically gimps you.

It requires a melee build. Look at my build, it's melee, it's not at all hammerdin.

Actually schaefer + punish/roar is pretty fun and good.
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04/01/2014 06:41 AMPosted by tictactucrac
t requires a melee build. Look at my build, it's melee, it's not at all hammerdin.

Actually schaefer + punish/roar is pretty fun and good.


melee crusader is bad. no 30% reduction and sh*y 20k blocks only on physical is not what you want to facetank t3+
ive yet to find a man who can explain me why tanking with crusader is rewarding.

ps. bowmen. really?
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Which build you guys suggest to roll with maximus?
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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/stalgards-decimator
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/blade-of-prophecy
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/fate-of-the-fell
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/schaefers-hammer
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-mortal-drama


I've gotten all of these except for Cam's Rebuttal, and Maximus has a far shorter time to kill than any of these. Drama I used to use as a swap out, until I realized it was quicker to just stop opening my inventory to swap (system is getting a little aged, there's a bit of delay opening inventory). My chains tick for ~8-10m, Torment 3 is a breeze, sitting on almost 1.1m dps ingame. Torment 4 is so-so, can kill act bosses in a reasonable time frame.

Really is bad that Maximus makes that huge of a difference.. Makes me realize how much work the class needs in general.


What have you been doing to get those? I seem to be getting crappy Legendaries.
Edited by Marwynn#1434 on 4/1/2014 7:20 AM PDT
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