Diablo® III

CRUS not finished :( But Barb stuff .....

T6 Rifts on NOT farm.. (Our fellow STR bro)
http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4066517

I will do updates here for the revival of OPBarb.

My items collected so far for fire set
http://i.imgur.com/HtXCxMY.jpg

The spec I will be running
http://i.imgur.com/KdF6lVf.jpg

the spec may change but won't know until I get EQ set done.
Edited by MannerCookie#1105 on 4/24/2014 7:47 AM PDT
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The theory of my fire-eq setup explained (skip to 3:00 mark of vid if you want to skip crus updates)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGERq9HGvw
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Popcorn rdy mate. Gogo
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04/15/2014 08:55 PMPosted by Lightofeast
Popcorn rdy mate. Gogo


WTB EQ SET T___T
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04/14/2014 01:15 PMPosted by MannerCookie
My items collected so far for fire set

http://i.imgur.com/HtXCxMY.jpg


Nice collection.
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that's a checklist of my wishlist right there :)
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04/16/2014 02:22 AMPosted by MannerCookie
04/15/2014 08:55 PMPosted by Lightofeast
Popcorn rdy mate. Gogo


WTB EQ SET T___T


Eq pants and leap boots are so damn hard to roll properly T_T !@#$ing move speed.
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compared to zap
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/40708311
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/15442902

I´m a relatively poor Nub
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nubtro-2147/hero/840269

How many hours do you guys play per day and is it always party or solo? I manage 6-8 mostly solo after work but only have IK gloves, raekor helm+pants and earth helm+pants from our set items :/

Btw. MC/zap, is Sun Keeper BiS in your book? Considering you already have 80%+ fire skill damage bonuses, it should easily outperform Devastator/Sankis against elites (the main focus of this game), don´t you think?

Also, what is your stance on Harrington? The bonus is unparalelled and quite easy to pull off, especially in rifts. I know MC you mentioned it in one of your Crus videos, but what about Barb?

Last but not least, I think rerolling ASI on Magefist is the way to go when using LeapQuake. I have data from 300 gambled glove rolls and str/vit (highest) have a significantly higher weight than crit chance (lowest) for example. Also the high vit roll may come in handy while higher aps does almost nothing when most of your damage comes from Quakes.

EDIT: Here´s the 300 glove data
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12329703286?page=4#62
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 4/16/2014 9:07 AM PDT
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interesting
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04/16/2014 04:43 AMPosted by zapro
04/16/2014 02:22 AMPosted by MannerCookie
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WTB EQ SET T___T


Eq pants and leap boots are so damn hard to roll properly T_T !@#$ing move speed.

amen
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04/16/2014 06:57 AMPosted by Nubtro
compared to zap
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/40708311
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/15442902

I´m a relatively poor Nub
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nubtro-2147/hero/840269

How many hours do you guys play per day and is it always party or solo? I manage 6-8 mostly solo after work but only have IK gloves, raekor helm+pants and earth helm+pants from our set items :/

Btw. MC/zap, is Sun Keeper BiS in your book? Considering you already have 80%+ fire skill damage bonuses, it should easily outperform Devastator/Sankis against elites (the main focus of this game), don´t you think?

Also, what is your stance on Harrington? The bonus is unparalelled and quite easy to pull off, especially in rifts. I know MC you mentioned it in one of your Crus videos, but what about Barb?

Last but not least, I think rerolling ASI on Magefist is the way to go when using LeapQuake. I have data from 300 gambled glove rolls and str/vit (highest) have a significantly higher weight than crit chance (lowest) for example. Also the high vit roll may come in handy while higher aps does almost nothing when most of your damage comes from Quakes.

EDIT: Here´s the 300 glove data
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12329703286?page=4#62


first off, LOL DAT 2ND BARB NAME on zapro's.. good stuff~

Always play in groups when farming and always with mirror classes, it is BY FAR the most efficient way of doing the item hunt.

When I farmed my crusader I ran 4x Crusader groups, now I'm running 4x barb groups. Off my small sample size, it's nets about 1 set piece within the group every 1.5-2 hours if you are farming efficiently at T4+

I'm indifferent about DW'ing vs 2H(maximus), I would also prefer to use sankis+lidless if I was to DW, I personally feel a perfect rolled lidless+sankis will outperform any DW setup but also I feel that Maximus will outperform all else (this needs testing obv)

Harrington is absolute must have in the belt slot for all classes, it is the most effective belt available in the game and no other belt proc comes close to it. A flat 100%+ damage proc that lasts 10 seconds and generally rifts which is the most valuable place to farm in the game currently is filled with things that proc the belt, the uptime of this belt's proc if played with efficiency in mind is very very high imo.

Rerolling ASI on magefist is absolutely the way to go, unfortunately I haven't found a pair that I've been able to reroll the ASI off yet so I use the ones I use. VIT on the glove slot is extremely valuable since you can get up to 750. A perfectly rolled magefist for the barbarian in a fire EQ setup would be 750 str, 750 vit, 50 cd, 10cc. EHP stats are very lacking in an end-game fire EQ setup because you are giving up so many primary rolls on gear for fire% affixes, the glove slot is almost mandatory to have 750 vit if you are thinking perfect optimization.

Good to see you active on the barb forums Nubtros, keep up the good work as usual.
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Pretty much agree that this is the way to go with the barb. I'm getting there with the gear I currently have I just need some luck. I'm having a hell of a time accumulating the appropriate set pieces. I have the Maximus in the stash with a great roll but all I seem to get lately are 2h legendary drops or things I already have. Literally getting 2-3 two handed weapon drops per night.

That all being said I think the set priority in my mind goes MoTA > IK > Raekor's for my ideal end game fire build. Needing 5 pieces (4 with ring) for Raekor's is a big downside. Also leap based builds I find less clunky than leap based builds with Lut Socks. I agree the socks are tough to roll right...I'm still rocking my lvl 60 pair because I can't get a good pair of 70's.

I think a well rolled sunkeeper is pretty powerful. Mine sucks but it's better than the majority of other garbage that's out there. I agree with MC that a burning axe and a lidless would be extremely powerful but don't knock the Sun Keeper! It's a very solid choice.

Set items though...they elude me as with Nubtro. Sadface.
Edited by KevinTSmith#1394 on 4/16/2014 12:55 PM PDT
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04/16/2014 06:57 AMPosted by Nubtro
How many hours do you guys play per day and is it always party or solo? I manage 6-8 mostly solo after work but only have IK gloves, raekor helm+pants and earth helm+pants from our set items :/

That's not too bad. I manage 1-2 hours a day, and the results are clear. I console myself by saying I'd be bored if I won the game within the first month lol.

Grats to you gents on the gear you've found and the way you put it together. It's always impressive to see what a godly character looks like.
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04/16/2014 01:16 PMPosted by gooball
That's not too bad. I manage 1-2 hours a day, and the results are clear. I console myself by saying I'd be bored if I won the game within the first month

I tell myself the same thing and it's true. If I had all the gear I wanted (EQ set, Lut Socks and Shrine Gloves), I would most likely be playing another class because the end-game is pretty much the same it has always been.
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I can attest to the opliness of maximus, although you do suffer a lack of cdr.
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04/16/2014 12:37 PMPosted by MannerCookie
04/16/2014 06:57 AMPosted by Nubtro
compared to zap
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/40708311
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/15442902

I´m a relatively poor Nub
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nubtro-2147/hero/840269

How many hours do you guys play per day and is it always party or solo? I manage 6-8 mostly solo after work but only have IK gloves, raekor helm+pants and earth helm+pants from our set items :/

Btw. MC/zap, is Sun Keeper BiS in your book? Considering you already have 80%+ fire skill damage bonuses, it should easily outperform Devastator/Sankis against elites (the main focus of this game), don´t you think?

Also, what is your stance on Harrington? The bonus is unparalelled and quite easy to pull off, especially in rifts. I know MC you mentioned it in one of your Crus videos, but what about Barb?

Last but not least, I think rerolling ASI on Magefist is the way to go when using LeapQuake. I have data from 300 gambled glove rolls and str/vit (highest) have a significantly higher weight than crit chance (lowest) for example. Also the high vit roll may come in handy while higher aps does almost nothing when most of your damage comes from Quakes.

EDIT: Here´s the 300 glove data
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12329703286?page=4#62


first off, LOL DAT 2ND BARB NAME on zapro's.. good stuff~

Always play in groups when farming and always with mirror classes, it is BY FAR the most efficient way of doing the item hunt.

When I farmed my crusader I ran 4x Crusader groups, now I'm running 4x barb groups. Off my small sample size, it's nets about 1 set piece within the group every 1.5-2 hours if you are farming efficiently at T4+

I'm indifferent about DW'ing vs 2H(maximus), I would also prefer to use sankis+lidless if I was to DW, I personally feel a perfect rolled lidless+sankis will outperform any DW setup but also I feel that Maximus will outperform all else (this needs testing obv)

Harrington is absolute must have in the belt slot for all classes, it is the most effective belt available in the game and no other belt proc comes close to it. A flat 100%+ damage proc that lasts 10 seconds and generally rifts which is the most valuable place to farm in the game currently is filled with things that proc the belt, the uptime of this belt's proc if played with efficiency in mind is very very high imo.

Rerolling ASI on magefist is absolutely the way to go, unfortunately I haven't found a pair that I've been able to reroll the ASI off yet so I use the ones I use. VIT on the glove slot is extremely valuable since you can get up to 750. A perfectly rolled magefist for the barbarian in a fire EQ setup would be 750 str, 750 vit, 50 cd, 10cc. EHP stats are very lacking in an end-game fire EQ setup because you are giving up so many primary rolls on gear for fire% affixes, the glove slot is almost mandatory to have 750 vit if you are thinking perfect optimization.

Good to see you active on the barb forums Nubtros, keep up the good work as usual.


physical BoulderToss Barb, facerolling T4, running T5, can I join ur team?
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what?
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Hey MC why do you think Lidless is the way to go, care to explain? I think the shield rolls 2 useless primary affixes for LeapQuake - cost reduction and attack speed. I do have a lidless (both physical and fire) and would only consider it for a Spear build (spear+shield grants a hidden multiplicative attack speed bonus).

Agree on Harrington, but it´s a bit tricky in party play cause if more players wear it, they will steal each others "chests". It´s similar to how Warzechian are less useful when your party members break em objects.

Here is a little calc I just did in hopes of getting an idea about different weapon setups for LeapQuake.

MAXIMUS
vs DEVASTATOR / SANKIS
vs SUN KEEPER + SANKIS
vs DEVASTATOR / SANKIS + LIDLESS

Maximus
2402.5 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+1150 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+13,371 life after each kill
+summon Demonic Slave

Devastator
1795.0 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+750 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+8914 life after each kill
+2.6% crowd control on hit

Sankis
1699.5 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+750 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+8914 life after each kill
+ignore pain-like proc

crit chance: 48/54
- base, paragon, helm, amulet, gloves, bracers, ring 1-2*, shield*
- optional - battle rage, weapons master, wotb
crit damage: *5.3 - 5.8 - 6.6 - 7.1 (300/350 + 130/260)
- base, paragon, amulet, gloves, ring 1-2*, weapon 1-2*
*SoJ - either crit chance or crit damage
*2H or DW or 1H+shield
fire skill: 80% + 20/40%
- amulet, bracers, cindercoat, soj, weapon 1-2

vs elites (crit chance SoJ)
sunsank = 1795.0 * (0.54 * 6.6 + 0.46) * 2.0 * 1.6 = 23,113.856
maximus = 2402.5 * (0.54 * 5.3 + 0.46) * 2.0 * 1.3 = 20,750.873
devasank = 1795.0 * (0.54 * 6.6 + 0.46) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 20,658.0088
devalid = 1795.0 * (0.64 * 5.3 + 0.36) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 19,261.6424
sanklid = 1699.5 * (0.64 * 5.3 + 0.36) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 18,236.85864

vs elites (crit damage SoJ)
sunsan = 1795.0 * (0.48 * 7.1 + 0.52) * 2.0 * 1.6 = 22,562.432
maximus = 2402.5 * (0.48 * 5.8 + 0.52) * 2.0 * 1.3 = 20,638.436
devasank = 1795.0 * (0.48 * 7.1 + 0.52) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 20,165.1736
devalid = 1795.0 * (0.58 * 5.8 + 0.42) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 19,425.9208
sanklid = 1699.5 * (0.58 * 5.8 + 0.42) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 18,392.39688

The calcs (100% weapon damage) don´t include strength. DW or 1H+shield grant 350 more strength than 2H. They also don´t include the damage increased by skills modifier group - I am assuming the same values for both specs, unless you opt for Weapons Master, which would make axe/mace MH perform better, considering you play in a party with many damage bonuses where the 8% sword bonus is not so strong.

Also, the difference between a crit damage and crit chance SoJ is not that huge and the crit damage one is slightly preferred if you opt for Lidless.

I can´t quantify the Maximus proc nor the Sankis ignore pain proc, but on paper maximus vs devasank are pretty even while sun keeper should outperform both against elites. I´d even go as far as to say that something like a Thunderfury with its damage and debuff proc is not a bad choice either.

EDIT: Btw. did anyone come across Furnace in RoS? Wouldn´t that be the best choice for T5-6?
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 4/17/2014 6:21 AM PDT
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Furnace has a really low proc rate. Even on the first proc.
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04/17/2014 06:31 AMPosted by Aldween
Furnace has a really low proc rate. Even on the first proc.


Yeah it's not viable in it's current state. Just form personal gameplay I feel that Sunkeeper is under rated and performs at a very high level in higher torments. Trash burns easy it's all about elites. Ideally I've been looking for a nicely rolled Sankis/Sunkeeper combo (my current SK is miserable but it still kicks butt)...glad your math showed that it's very viable ty Nub. I still haven't found either the dev plans or an axe period so plenty of work to be done.
Edited by KevinTSmith#1394 on 4/17/2014 7:11 AM PDT
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