11/18/2011 02:42 PMHow does a straightforward answer to a simple question constitute "twisting [myself, a griefer] into knots to justify [my] behavior"?<br /><br />Your blatant bias and generalizations are all the worse for your attempt to seem civil and intelligent, and even more amazing than any logic employed by PvP proponents that seems to baffle you.<br /><br />Please point out where I justified griefing<br />Please point out where I claimed that griefing is doing others a favor. <br />(Hint: As I specifically opened with a statement that I was referring to an opt-in, as mentioned by the OP in his body and in his thread title, you won't find either.)<br /><br />Please point out where in this thread, on this topic, I brought up any discussion that pertains to differences in difficulty, interest, or skill requirements between fighting players and fighting AI.<br /><br />Please explain how the concept of a common goal (survival) or common enemy (PK) causing people to band together is not a social interaction.<br /><br />I may just as well say that you show it perfectly. Carebear crybabies will do anything to twist the words of PvPers to justify denying them being able to have their own separate fun.
Posted by Mith
Mith, you had a huge paragraph about why griefing is a good thing, in an attempt to justify it. And that argument rather exactly parallels a common argument that many griefers use to justify their actions, with a claim that their presence makes the game more interesting for their victims.
You mentioned that griefing could not exist in an opt in system, which I absolutely agree with, but your statement read like you were attempting to justify actual griefing of players, like what happened in the old D2 hostility system without an opt in. If that's not the case, I apologize for misinterpreting your words.
Further, you ask where you you asserted some kind of skill or difficulty gap between PvP ands PvE? Your entire argument about players being a better focal point for animosity seems to be predicated on exactly that. I've also seen you make that argument in other threads, so I had connected the dots.
You should know by now that my beef is not with an opt in system. If we are speaking of an opt in system, there can be no griefing, because of the opt in. But you should know that a D2 style system is not promoting social interaction. The D2 system was anti social in that it forced many players to stop interacting with the community in order to play the game without being harassed by griefers.
I never intentionally try to twist anyone's words, Mith. If I misinterpreted you, you can point it out, but if you're going to get so hostile over it, then, likewise, perhaps it's not really worth trying to have a real discussion with you.