Diablo® III

The soulstones....

One thing i don't understand about the soulstones. Why breaking the soulstone will send the demon to the dark abyss, if the demon isn't sealed in it anymore?
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The demons are bound to the soulstones, correct? It is my understanding that they (formerly) could not traverse Sanctuary without a soulstone in possession. Recall that all 3 Prime Evils safeguarded their stones in one way or another in order to ensure they would not be destroyed.

At the end of Diablo 2, the soulstones were destroyed at the Hellforge, thus banishing the Prime Evils back to Hell, forbidding them to return to the realm of Sanctuary.

However, since the Worldstone has been destroyed, we don't know what rules/mechanics are in effect anymore. We will have to wait for Diablo 3 to give us some more insight into how it is possible that the demons of Hell have returned to Sanctuary.
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is it still up for debate as to what happened to Baal because we never actually SEE his Soulstone getting destroyed...?

i know that Diablo and Mephisto have both been banished back, but seeing the faces after you kill Baal going into the Worldstone... maybe since the Worldstone gets destroyed this is in essence Tyreal banishing Baal now back to hell?

and of course what ever other giant problem this could also bring...

actually, sorry, just thought of something... wasn't the Worldstone what was safeguarding Sanctuary from the Heavens and Hell? So now, if the Worldstone is destoryed, they can both freely pass between Sanctuary and Heaven/Hell... so that could possibly explain how the came back because if we banished them and then just opened the door from Hell to Sanctuary... they could just come right on back...? Maybe... who knows... haha.
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I do believe that the destruction of a soulstone that contained a demon's essence will send them back to Hell not the Abyss. A soulstone is like an anchor. The Prime Evils are floating in the ocean of Sanctuary desperately trying to hold on to their anchor. If they let go, the current will take them and push them back to Hell. Im pretty sure that is how it essentially works.

I reason I believe it works that way is because the soulstones are pieces of the Worldstone. The Worldstone (before it was destroyed) kept Heavan and Hell from entering Sanctuary. Therefore, by trapping their essence in the piece of the Worldstone, they become tethered to Sanctuary.

I'm almost positive that Baal's soulstone got obliterated when he used it to corrupt the Worldstone. If it was on his body then it would have exploded when Tyrael destroyed the Worldstone. The reason Baal could allow his soulstone to get destroyed is because once the Worldstone was destroyed he could come back anyway.

I hope this answered your question. :)
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So, they need their soulstones to "walk" in sanctuary. But, in the "dark exile" they were sent to sanctuary and they didnt have the soulstones yet. So once they are sealed in the soulstones they are bound to it until it is destroyed (sendind them back to hell, or dark abyss)?
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You guys have that a bit wrong. They didn't need the soulstones to walk around Sanctuary. They did that for something like100 years while Tyrael made the soulstones and got the Horadrim together. The soulstones were used to trap the essences of the evils. So when you killed their mortal forms, the"soul" went back into the stone. Which was then destroyed on the anvil which banished the soul into the abyss.

As for Baal. Well the worldstone went boom. More than likely his soulstone did too,but who knows.
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So, if the soulstone is destroyed while they are in their mortal form, nothing happens to them??
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The Three Primes can traverse Sanctuary without soul stones, as established in the Diablo 2 manual. They did so prior to their incarceration. They also have the ability to possess mortals on their own without the need for a soulstone. This is established in the Sin War novels.

The Soulstones (1 amber, 1 sapphire, 1 ruby) were taken from the Worldstone and fashioned to be used as Prisons for each of the demons. When the demons were defeated in battle 250 years earlier, their forms and essences were imprisoned in the stones, binding them to the stones. After centuries they were capable of spreading their demonic influence and powers beyond the confines of the soulstone. Additionally, when a soulstone is physically inserted in to a living person, it gives the demon a sort of window out of the soulstone through which they can easily possess the mortal. Think of the person as a sort of puppet controlled by the demon. It's not enough to just kill the puppet, you have to kill the demon in the stone too.

When the soulstones were destroyed in Hell, we weren't just breaking the prison of the stone, but killing the demon inside of them as well. The ethereal spirit and essence of the demon was therefore jutted out in to the abyss where all demonic entities go when they die, and from where they can potentially respawn as established in the Sin War trilogy. Presumably, Baal's soulstone was destroyed when the Worldstone was destroyed since it was at that point rejoined with the greater stone.

04/03/2012 06:06 PMPosted by droq
actually, sorry, just thought of something... wasn't the Worldstone what was safeguarding Sanctuary from the Heavens and Hell? So now, if the Worldstone is destoryed, they can both freely pass between Sanctuary and Heaven/Hell... so that could possibly explain how the came back because if we banished them and then just opened the door from Hell to Sanctuary... they could just come right on back...? Maybe... who knows... haha.
Actually, it wasn't, at least not for a few centuries. When Sanctuary was first created thousands of years ago it was, but as of the events of the Sin War, both Heaven and Hell became aware of the existence of Sanctuary. After the war, both Heaven and Hell signed a Truce (with certain terms) agreeing to not enter and interfere with Sanctuary. Hell broke this truce when the Lesser Evils banished the Prime Evils to Sanctuary. Tyrael in response entered Sanctuary and gathered together and created a band of mages dubbed the Horadrim to imprison the Prime Evils and prevent their interference. Sadly, this was all part of the Prime Evils plans. Using Izual, the fallen angel, they tricked Tyrael in to giving them access to shards of the Worldstone, so that they could corrupt the shards and eventually hack the Worldstone as if the soulstones were usb drives uploading a virus to the Worldstone :) The intention being that since the Worldstone was tied to the Nephalum, the Prime Evils could use the corrupted Worldstone to turn the Nephalum in to an army under their control to conquer heaven (since the Nephalem have the potential of being stronger than angels).

With the Worldstone destroyed, there isn't any means of turning the Nephalum into an army under their command. Ultimately this means there isn't much of anything of value in Sanctuary to make it worth invading (aside from being an amusing distraction), or at least there wasn't until now. With the realization of what the Black Soulstone could do, there is now a reason for demons to go to Sanctuary again, and of course with the Nephalum's power being unchecked, there's greater concern for both Heaven and Hell regarding what the natives of Sanctuary will someday accomplish.
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04/04/2012 09:24 AMPosted by Lõri
Using Izual, the fallen angel, they tricked Tyrael in to giving them access to shards of the Worldstone, so that they could corrupt the shards and eventually hack the Worldstone as if the soulstones were usb drives uploading a virus to the Worldstone :) The intention being that since the Worldstone was tied to the Nephalum, the Prime Evils could use the corrupted Worldstone to turn the Nephalum in to an army under their control to conquer heaven (since the Nephalem have the potential of being stronger than angels).


So this explains why baal still carries his soulstone in LoD.

But one thing is still not clear: If Baal's soulstone is destroyed before killing him. What happens?
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04/04/2012 10:57 AMPosted by D3BETA
But one thing is still not clear: If Baal's soulstone is destroyed before killing him. What happens?
Difficult to say. The stone had his core essence in it, but one could assume that being a demon as powerful as he was, that he might have been able to cling to life through the human host of Tal Rasha. Or perhaps Tal Rasha would have finally been freed of the demon (poor guy).

However, since we kill his host prior to his soulstone being (presumably) destroyed it is likely a moot point.
Edited by Lõri on 4/4/2012 12:34 PM PDT
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If it is true, the poor Azmodan had to deal with the rage of his bosses again. T.T
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By the way, I think it is meaningless to sealed three guys into the stones and then destroy the stones to release them again...... They can stay in Sanctuary without the stones, so why would Tyreal think breaking the stones would banish them to the hell?
Edited by D3BETA on 4/14/2012 9:26 AM PDT
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85 Troll Shaman
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The soulstones of Diablo and Mephisto were destroyed at the Hellforge with the use of the Anvil of Destruction, which shattered not only the stone but the demon within it, thus truly slaying them (Instead of killing the host) and banishing them to the Abyss.

Whether or not a demon could escape the Abyss is unknown, but considering all the screaming and yelling that Mephisto did when you shatter his stone, I'm guessing that even if they could, the experience of being in the Abyss is horrific, even for the Prime Evils.
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04/14/2012 09:24 AMPosted by D3BETA
By the way, I think it is meaningless to sealed three guys into the stones and then destroy the stones to release them again...... They can stay in Sanctuary without the stones, so why would Tyreal think breaking the stones would banish them to the hell?

You should read Lori's explanation, its pretty much all you need to know about soulstones.
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The soulstones of Diablo and Mephisto were destroyed at the Hellforge with the use of the Anvil of Destruction, which shattered not only the stone but the demon within it, thus truly slaying them (Instead of killing the host) and banishing them to the Abyss.

Whether or not a demon could escape the Abyss is unknown, but considering all the screaming and yelling that Mephisto did when you shatter his stone, I'm guessing that even if they could, the experience of being in the Abyss is horrific, even for the Prime Evils.


Completely right except that it is the Anvil of Annihilation. Technically Tyrael could destroy the soulstones just by using his sword but that would probably release the prime evils instead. The Anvil destroys everything that is bound to the object (aka annihilated)
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Thanks for the explanations. I now understand the purpose behind destroying the soulstones. This was always something that was confusing to me.

With the Worldstone destroyed, there isn't any means of turning the Nephalum into an army under their command. Ultimately this means there isn't much of anything of value in Sanctuary to make it worth invading (aside from being an amusing distraction), or at least there wasn't until now. With the realization of what the Black Soulstone could do, there is now a reason for demons to go to Sanctuary again, and of course with the Nephalum's power being unchecked, there's greater concern for both Heaven and Hell regarding what the natives of Sanctuary will someday accomplish.


I had understood that the Worldstone served two purpsoes. 1) to prevent heaven and hell knowing about sanctuary and 2) to keep Nephalum's power in check. So why would the destruction of the Worldstones prevent their use as an army? Wouldn't it facilitate it?

I am basing this statement on this passage:

"Lilith in the meantime understood that her plans could not be achieved unless something was done with the Worldstone. The crystal had been created by Inarius to both shield the world and to limit the powers of humans. So long as it still stood, no human army of hers would ever wage war with Heaven or Hell. Uldyssian however was brought there, and after a brief brawl with Bul'Kathos, he was allowed into the Worldstone Chamber with Rathma as his companion. After killing bat-like demons Rathma, though doubtful he would succeed, suggested Uldyssian attempt to change the worldstone to better favor him and his people. What he did astonished Rathma, and later Inarius as well. Uldyssian had altered the structure of the crystal, something not even Inarius could undo. This change had monumental consequences, and not only stopped the weakening of the Nephalem, but in fact sped up the growth of their powers. "

Taken from here: http://www.diablowiki.com/Lore_Summary
Edited by Sparth#1453 on 5/8/2012 9:22 PM PDT
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