Diablo® III

[quote]http://www.diablowiki.net/Arena

PointBlank read this and it'll also hopefully shed some insight why it's taking a bit

Yeah they're essentially attempting to make a mini-SC2 MP system. And I definitely like that approach. But I still would like some sort of in-game duel option if possible. Arenas will suffice for the time being, of course!

No official word on if 1v1 is coming in that arena patch, however.

04/28/2012 12:22 PMPosted by Havoc

That's the thing, it was NOT a huge part of Diablo 2. It was a huge part of Diablo 2 FOR YOU. But if I told you sitting around in the pub at Lut Gholein was a huge part of Diablo 2, guess what, that'd just be my experience and not the majority. Stop assuming your experience = the majority.

Jay Wilson (BlizzCon 2010): Diablo II had a big dueling community

"big dueling communnity" might still be an overall minority, but I'm sure its larger than the regulars at the Lut Gholein pub :P

I don't know if that was a shot at me, or the guy I was replying to, but I'm only trying to appeal to the most people, just like the developers. I like options! Options to turn off terrible UI things, options to kick annoying people, even options to make your own games with super carebear or hardcore rules.

So if wanting the option to duel friends in a normal game ruins D3 ... nvm I don't see the problem.

There is no problem with dueling or custom matches at all, people just think there is because its not what they want, but honestly the more options the better and if people dont want to duel well good for them they dont have to. But I am positive that at some point everyone will want to try dueling someone, its just going to happen.

That's the thing, it was NOT a huge part of Diablo 2. It was a huge part of Diablo 2 FOR YOU. But if I told you sitting around in the pub at Lut Gholein was a huge part of Diablo 2, guess what, that'd just be my experience and not the majority. Stop assuming your experience = the majority.

Also, people need to stop using the term carebear. Carebear is offensive, believe it or not, and there are plenty of PvErs who love to PvP just not in a game like Diablo. Like me.

PvP is great. When the game is designed for it. Put me on a level playing field when playing against you, we will see who comes out on top.

Yes I agree "carebear" is a terrible word, and so is "hardcore". But like anything in language, we use what is commonly accepted.

Anyway, there is something to be said for PvP on an unlevel playing field. Think player with more "skill" vs player with better "gear": it can make for an interesting battle because suddenly it's even due to unequal players on unequal terms. Can be lots of fun!

As for PvP in general, the arenas are coming so there's no worry there.

As for the dueling itself, it's not about being even, it's about being able to kill/beat people that annoy you, to challenge your friends, or to just fight to pass time/gamble things.

04/28/2012 12:30 PMPosted by Armisael

Jay Wilson (BlizzCon 2010): Diablo II had a big dueling community

"big dueling communnity" might still be an overall minority, but I'm sure its larger than the regulars at the Lut Gholein pub :P

Hey now, the regulars at the Lut Gholein pub were a wide and varied bunch! Don't you mock us!
:P

There is no problem with dueling or custom matches at all, people just think there is because its not what they want, but honestly the more options the better and if people dont want to duel well good for them they dont have to. But I am positive that at some point everyone will want to try dueling someone, its just going to happen.

You have to look at it like this, and use history as an example.

A lot of games have been balanced around DUELS, because DUELS were allowed. Simple PvP additions have ruined games balance before. They just may continue to do so.

Ever heard of a developer catering to the whiners about "X class couldn't beat Y class in a 1v1 duel, nerf Y, buff X"? Yes, you have. Developers do it all the time.

People don't want things like that to happen. Not allowing dueling almost always negates the possibility of that ever happening.

04/28/2012 11:50 AMPosted by Miraa

Carebears ruined Diablo 3

04/28/2012 11:42 AMPosted by Vudumamajuju

I agree. No duels is a big letdown if this is true.

04/28/2012 12:19 PMPosted by Static

But I still would like some sort of in-game duel option if possible.

They've been pretty adamant that this isn't happening. Co-op is for co-op, and arena is for pvp. They don't want to do anything in co-op that in any way discourages co-op, which they've said includes opening it up to duels so that people stay in town trying to duel while others are attempting to clear.

If arenas are designed well enough you won't need co-op to do proper 1v1 or ffa or any other form of pvp you can imagine anyways.

04/28/2012 12:21 PMPosted by Armisael

Have people ever played Diablo 1? The Hostile button wasn't in the game...if you want to get technical.

04/28/2012 12:00 PMPosted by PointBlank

For anyone in this thread that say "carebears ruined D3" or any variations of the sort this is directed towards you. PvP was never a high element with Blizzard when it came to Diablo and they have even stated multiple times that the PvP system (aka Hostile) was abused and not used the way they intended for the masses to use.

Yeah people get hung-up on PvP being hostile, a dueling system is not the same as hostile.

Hostile is essentially unwanted FFA ganking. Since the game is now built around focussed co-op there's no point to having people fear each other killing them (unless you want "friendly-fire" in which case it wouldn't work well due to all the AOE). The best that could happen for this is to have a FFA arena mode.

A proper duel system, for example WoW's duel flag, cannot be abused for griefing, unlike a hostile button would.

04/28/2012 12:45 PMPosted by DudleyDR

Yeah people get hung-up on PvP being hostile, a dueling system is not the same as hostile.

Hostile is essentially unwanted FFA ganking. Since the game is now built around focussed co-op there's no point to having people fear each other killing them (unless you want "friendly-fire" in which case it wouldn't work well due to all the AOE). The best that could happen for this is to have a FFA arena mode.

A proper duel system, for example WoW's duel flag, cannot be abused for griefing, unlike a hostile button would.

I disagree, I played a free WOW account to 20 a while ago and one day some guy decided I was the one he wanted to use to get some PVP achievement. I told him I wasn't interested. He followed me around killing everything I was headed towards, constantly whining about what a loser and chicken dropping I was, etc.

Keep all the PVP crap in the arena's where it belongs.

The person was specifically asking if we could implement duels so they have something to do before the PvP patch arrives. And so I said 'no plans for duels', which out of context is quite misleading. What I should have said was 'no plans for any PvP before the PvP patch'.

We're open to the idea of custom PvP matches, which would allow for duels in the arenas. There are a lot of decisions before we can get there, but on the design philosophy front we don't have anything against practice duels or other custom matches (1v4?), as long as they can't be used for progression. It'll just come down to implementation and what we're able to pull off in a timely manner.

04/28/2012 12:49 PMPosted by Fideling

damn beta males with 0 need for competition