Diablo® III

'One of the Chosen'

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100 Human Death Knight
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Although I find it stupid to whine about the Feat, I realized from reading posts that it's actually revolting that many people wanted to play the beta more than anything and didn't get the key while others that didn't want as much got it only because they had a wow account, luck or whatever.

But that doesn't bother me because I know they can't just give beta acess to everybody as it's a testing method and not a gift. What bothered me after reading posts was that those people that got the key received and in-game exclusive award less than a week before the release while I didn't. And I really wanted a beta key.

To sum up, I found it disrespectful that Blizzard gave the beta testers an in-game exclusive knowing that some of them didn't really want to play the beta or didn't want it a much as the ones that couldn't.

EDIT: Grammar
Edited by Cecchi#1915 on 5/9/2012 12:25 PM PDT
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Everyone knows beta was just luck of the draw. Having or not having the FoS does not change whether or not you were in the beta.

You already know if got into beta or not, FoS has no impact other than a visual representation of your past.
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Favoritism and fairness doesn't factor into a random selection of opted-in people with appropriate system specifications. There were giveaways as well, to be sure, and if any of those were run unfairly where people did not have an equal shot at winning a key I'd be very interested in that information.

I understand if it's disappointing that you weren't in the closed beta and therefore won't get a Feat of Strength, and I fully sympathize, but that's different than a great injustice having been done.
The distinction between a Feat of Strength and an Achievement is that an Achievement is something you can work to achieve, and a Feat of Strength is either limited due to an outside factor, or is just simply impossible to get any longer.

Things like attending BlizzCon, where only a few thousand people can attend, is a Feat of Strength.

Of course there are plenty of people who want each of the Feats of Strength, but the reason why they aren't Achievements, and don't provide Achievement points, is due to the limited-time, invite only, or simply impossible nature of obtaining them.


Thank you for the clarification Bash! See you at launch!
100 Undead Priest
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My husband, my son, and I all opted in in hopes of getting a D3 beta invite - my son and I did, during the final wave of invites. I don't think Blizzard hates my husband, it was just luck.

My husband has a CE edition coming, though (don't tell him! it's a surprise!), so it sort of evens out.

I think the FoS is a nice gesture. It was unexpected. Thank you.
85 Human Warrior
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people like the OP are why i'll never use the sigil. i dont need to listen to this crap while trying to play.
100 Goblin Rogue
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Definitely a bit obnoxious on blizzards part.

There were countless closed beta invited testers that logged in for an hour or two and never touched the game.

Where on the other hand there were countless of open beta testers not invited to closed beta that played all they could during the open beta.

Saying that those closed beta testers that barely touched the game deserve an achievement over the open beta testers that played their hearts out and would've loved to be in closed beta is definitely on the obnoxious side of things blizzard has done.

Edit: If those closed beta testers had to actually do something other than simply receive an invite like play x many hours, report x many bugs, submit x amount of feedback that's one thing. How can blizzard not see this as a complete fail and insult to their fanbase?
Edited by serenityNOW#1375 on 5/9/2012 12:27 PM PDT
90 Blood Elf Rogue
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To choose, or not to choose, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Chosen in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Chosen,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of Chosen,
And by opposing end them: to die, to choose
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That's why it's a feat of strength. They're not achievements because there's no way you can go out and get them by some action of your own. A feat of strength is like "oh hey look they were lucky enough to get invited to the beta". It doesn't represent any kind of skill/ability of the player. It's merely a reflection of whether or not they were lucky. There's no logical reason to be angry about this, other than being childish, which is, I suppose, to be expected.
05/09/2012 12:08 PMPosted by Bashiok
Of course there are plenty of people who want each of the Feats of Strength, but the reason why they aren't Achievements, and don't provide Achievement points, is due to the limited-time, invite only, or simply impossible nature of obtaining them.


They are nothing more than pages in a digital scrap book is how I see it.

Calling it a Feat of Strength does carry the implication that something had to be done to get it, but I honestly cannot think of any description that would not be 'drawn and quartered' by those that did not get it.

You stick to your guns, people cry. You give into demands, you get more crying. I do not envy you guys/gals at all.
85 Undead Warlock
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A FoS on it's own is fine, even when rewarded to people through chance -- this happens all the damn time, and rarely upsets anyone.
However, when the FoS uses the game's built-in "brag" feature, you cross the line. Don't tout the banner/sigils system as the show off mechanic if you plan to use it in an effortless and exclusive system.

"effortless" - You are thanking people who participated in the Beta, but not requiring them to have ever logged in? Think on that for a sec.

"exclusive" - Yes, it was exclusive, not random. You rewarded press and *Blizzard friends/family* automatically (who may not have even opted-in) and gave keys to fansites, who were known to have given some of those keys to personal friends. When you remove the randomness, it becomes even less defensible.

They'd serve their community far more by simply rewarding opt-ins:
- An opt-in guarantees that the player has bought a recent Blizzard product.
- It shows active interest in testing Diablo 3, as they had to actively go and opt-in.
- It doesn't depend on chance, computer spec, or personal connections, simply interest in helping test the game (which is what you claim this reward was meant for).

Having ^ answered would go a long way in restoring many people's faith in Blizzard.
Wow, posts like this remind me of other posts crying about how they didn't get a beta invite even though they've played every blizzard game in existence they think they 100% deserve a invite. People are so incredibly selfish and childish, OPs post takes the cake with the whole "slap to the face" bull.

I think the crybaby kids are just frustrated because its still a few days till release, posting retarded threads like this is the only way they can let loose some steam.
Edited by MrDespair#1715 on 5/9/2012 12:25 PM PDT
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Favoritism and fairness doesn't factor into a random selection of opted-in people with appropriate system specifications. There were giveaways as well, to be sure, and if any of those were run unfairly where people did not have an equal shot at winning a key I'd be very interested in that information.

I understand if it's disappointing that you weren't in the closed beta and therefore won't get a Feat of Strength, and I fully sympathize, but that's different than a great injustice having been done.


I want "One of the Unchosen" feats of strength.
15 Human Warrior
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SWTOR has done it by giving beta testers a title and there was no complaints about it. Getting into the beta was like playing at a casino. I did not get my invite until close to the beta end and I was not sore about it because it is just a game and if you crying about two intangible items then you need to grow up.
90 Gnome Mage
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so people who got into closed beta get an achievement and a sigil exclusive to them because they were lucky enough to get into the beta. what about the fanbase like me that were opted in, entered into almost every contest they could find, yet never got in? they get nothing? but people who got lucky get a sigil to rub it in our faces even more?

ISO blizzard's thinking about this matter?

instead, award people who played the beta at all. closed or open. because the open beta had no restrictions, ANYONE could play. people who downloaded the beta to play for only 2 days during that one weekend? THEY should be awarded

yes this is something small and trivial, but it really just seems like a slap in the face of people who never got in by the company.


I would be hacked off if they gave FoS and sigil to those that jumped into the open beta.

Why?

Because my wife got invited to closed beta, so I got to test it that way. When open beta weekend happened, I didn't bother to jump in on my own account because I was already "in" beta.

So yeah, if they gave sigils/FoS to the open beta weekend folks, I would have to kick myself in the !@# for missing out, even though I was playing. (well, not really playing since that weekend was pretty much nothing but errors for me).
Favoritism and fairness doesn't factor into a random selection of opted-in people with appropriate system specifications. There were giveaways as well, to be sure, and if any of those were run unfairly where people did not have an equal shot at winning a key I'd be very interested in that information.

I understand if it's disappointing that you weren't in the closed beta and therefore won't get a Feat of Strength, and I fully sympathize, but that's different than a great injustice having been done.


This should go without saying, but thank you again for the clarification.

Let's keep this a celebration everyone!
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My husband, my son, and I all opted in in hopes of getting a D3 beta invite - my son and I did, during the final wave of invites. I don't think Blizzard hates my husband, it was just luck.

My husband has a CE edition coming, though (don't tell him! it's a surprise!), so it sort of evens out.

I think the FoS is a nice gesture. It was unexpected. Thank you.


This is a rational person. She obviously understand how lotteries work. Also, your husband is a lucky man. Kudos, kind woman.
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