Diablo® III

[Spoiler] The Idiot Ball

Tyrael was definitely holding it. While I can accept that other characters may not have connected the dots, as they weren't present for the events of Diablo 2, Tyrael really did go full retard here.

We saw Mephisto and Diablo's soulstones shattered on the Hellforge, and Adria told us that she 'marked' the souls of the Five to be captured in the Black Soulstone. However, the purpose of shattering the soulstones was to send the Evils back to the Abyss, not have them floating about in Sanctuary. So I guess Tyrael and Cain were wrong about that one.

To top it off, however, when Adria says that she will shatter the Black Soulstone after all Seven Evils are within it, he just accepts it, believing this would destroy them forever. Except that the last time we shattered some soulstones, the souls just did their own thing.

Really, man? You think you're ready to stand on the Angiris Council as Wisdom when you didn't see that gaping flaw?
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You forget, Tyrael's Lieutenant, Izual, told the Prime Evils how to corrupt their own Soulstones. Tyrael knew then the Soulstones would not function as they were meant to. Their destruction wouldn't end them. However, the soulstones themselves were still powerful conduits of the Prime Evils, rather than prisons. It was safer to destroy them, and Hope their souls went to the Abyss, than the allow mortals to possible become the Prime Evils upon Sanctuary once more.

Tyrael always struggled to protect man from both Heaven and Hell. If Sanctuary continually had Prime Evils erupting from men, Heaven would have been bound to notice, and wipe it out.
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I tried to leave it simple, and didn't touch on that aspect. The Soulstones being shattered the first time made sense, because the plan didn't work.

His stupidity is that after the Soulstones didn't work, Tyrael was totally down with trapping all Seven in one Soulstone and shattering it to kill them eternally, when he knew that the Soulstones could be used against mankind and more importantly that shattering the Soulstones the first time did not stop Diablo. Why would it this time? Adria's agenda was very thinly veiled.
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05/18/2012 12:42 PMPosted by Acaelus
Except that the last time we shattered some soulstones, the souls just did their own thing.


They didn't 'do their own thing.' Traditional Diablo lore tells us that when the soulstone is shattered, the Demon's soul is released and sent back to the Abyss to be reborn at a later time. This was the understanding that Tyrael acted upon.

What ACTUALLY ended up happening was that Zoltun Kulle created a (black) soulstone that could absorb the Demon's souls and lock their power inside it. He did this outside of anyone's knowledge. Tyrael can't be held responsible for what was outside the scope of possibilities for him (or anyone else at the time).

Furthermore, I see a lot of people misinterpreting the meaning of "Wisdom" in terms of what it means in the High Heavens. The point of Tyrael rising to the title of Wisdom is not because he knows everything about everyone at all times. I believe he is re-defining the very definition of what Wisdom is. He is stating that perhaps Sanctuary and the Nephalem really ARE the answer to the Eternal War that the High Heavens and Burning Hells are constantly engaged in.

Previously, all the High Heavens wanted to do (more or less) was to destroy Sanctuary while the Burning Hells want to adapt them as tools as a means to an end.
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I tried to leave it simple, and didn't touch on that aspect. The Soulstones being shattered the first time made sense, because the plan didn't work.

His stupidity is that after the Soulstones didn't work, Tyrael was totally down with trapping all Seven in one Soulstone and shattering it to kill them eternally, when he knew that the Soulstones could be used against mankind and more importantly that shattering the Soulstones the first time did not stop Diablo. Why would it this time? Adria's agenda was very thinly veiled.


The thing here is, the Black Soulstone is vastly different from the original three used to trap the Prime Evils. It's likely not even a shard of the Worldstone, as there is nothing to suggest Zoltun Kulle ever had access to it, or knowledge of its whereabouts. In the past, Shattering the Soulstones failed because the Primes knew how they worked thanks to Izual. The Black Soulstone wasn't something they were aware of (save for Diablo who knew through Adria who learned from Cain, but that's just his master plan).

There was no way for Tyrael to know that Adria was serving Diablo all along.
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What ACTUALLY ended up happening was that Zoltun Kulle created a (black) soulstone that could absorb the Demon's souls and lock their power inside it. He did this outside of anyone's knowledge. Tyrael can't be held responsible for what was outside the scope of possibilities for him (or anyone else at the time).

The Black Soulstone wasn't completed at the time of the original Soulstones' being shattered.

The thing here is, the Black Soulstone is vastly different from the original three used to trap the Prime Evils. It's likely not even a shard of the Worldstone, as there is nothing to suggest Zoltun Kulle ever had access to it, or knowledge of its whereabouts. In the past, Shattering the Soulstones failed because the Primes knew how they worked thanks to Izual. The Black Soulstone wasn't something they were aware of (save for Diablo who knew through Adria who learned from Cain, but that's just his master plan).

There was no way for Tyrael to know that Adria was serving Diablo all along.

It evidently isn't that vastly different, as it still holds souls and can be used along with a vessel to give the demon within form. It's still a Soulstone, and nobody had reason to believe shattering it would work. Furthermore, Cain was a Horadrim, and would have been a fool not to tell Tyrael of the Black Soulstone. Additionally, the original shattering was in response to Izual's betrayal, it did not fail because of it.

Nobody should have known Adria was serving an ulterior motive prior to her suggestion of the Black Soulstone, certainly, but the immediate line of logic that follows is to at least investigate before acting.
Edited by Acaelus#1262 on 5/18/2012 7:28 PM PDT
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