05/30/2012 09:52 AMAdria found traces of all the Evils if you payed attention. In addition, you can't really truly destroy them...they regenerate out of the abyss or something like that. Can't remember specifics. As for Zoltun, he wasn't really a good guy to start...mistrust of the past lingered to the present.
Posted by Consulo
The story is intentionally presented so as to manipulate us into believing Zolton isn't really a good guy, but where's the evidence? Sounding sinister and laughing like a maniac is not an evil act. The Horadrim called him a torturer, murderer, and monster, but that's just hearsay. It's important to think critically about these things, and extreme accusations require extremely strong evidence. There is some reason to believe the Horadrim are pretty decent people, which gives them a certain amount of clout, but even an extremely righteous organization should have to provide proof to convince you someone has tortured or murdered. It's not a stretch at all to believe they may simply have tarred him with these labels because of their divergent ideologies. (I.E. their view on angels)
Kulle declared his ambition to take over the world, that's not exactly the sort of thing you tolerate from a powerful person such as him. Agree that he is a tragic case, but that's why he is referenced as direct example of how if you fight evil too long you are at greater risk of becoming it. Also, he's wrong about the angels being just as bad as the demons; such a false equivalency shows he has accepted evil. Maybe if he acted more like a decent person he could have joined the good team, but he was corrupt.
These things are certainly more tangible as you can hear them with your own ears. Kulle's striving towards "godhood" is definitely a red flag about his personality, but power is not inherently evil -- it's the means you will stoop to to acquire it, and what you do with it once you have it that define whether a desire for power or even dominance is good, evil, or somewhere in between. There is reason to SUSPECT that Kulle will go to lengths for power and not use it perfectly, but a mentally and socially healthy person does not assume the worst about their friends.
Kulle's statement about angels being as bad as demons is probably the biggest real red flag there is about him. I agree that it is a false equivalency because demons would certainly vote unanimously to wipe out humans were they to have a similar vote. The tendency to generalize about a group as Kulle does with Angels shows prejudice which may indicate arrogance and contempt. (What about the half of angels that voted to keep humanity alive?) That being said, his view is by no means unsympathetic. If another country had a vote about whether to wipe out your country and leave no survivors, and the vote was nearly deadlocked, you'd have to be insane to not view people from that country with no small amount of suspicion, and take reasonable measures to protect yourself. The fact that they happen to be angels is no reason to ignore them as a threat, nor does it make defending yourself against them any less ethically validated. If half of them did vote for genocide, that's clear evidence right there that Angels are not all good.
The point I'm making is that these are certainly red flags, but not sufficient reason to judge a person, let alone kill him. The kind of hubris that makes one think it's up to them to "tolerate" or not tolerate different ideologies to the point of meting out death -- when those ideologies will not clearly lead to injustice and suffering -- is more than a red flag, it is arguably the purest kind of evil.
Imagine yourself in your characters position. You've walked into the inner sanctum of the super powerful sorcerer who everyone repeatedly warned you not to trust. He tells you "Actually, your allies are all lying to you and you're being manipulated, so I'm not going to give you the soul stone. Instead you should work with me to conquer the word."
Do you a) Assume he's a tragic hero? or b) assume he's been manipulating you?
Admittedly, if Diablo's story had more depth I'd have liked to see Kulle stick around as our ace in the hole to deal with whoever was lying to us, but, whatever. Diablo games have always been very light on plot.
First, you're wrong on a factual statement. Kulle never says he's not going to give you the stone. His most recent position on the matter was that "the bargain stands."
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