Diablo® III

I really refuse THAT was tyrael

Let me get this straight, the mortals/humans/Naphalems is supposed to be a being conceived by an Angel and a Demon.

So how did Tyrael transformed into a human just by pulling off his wings? doesn't make sense.
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It's be kind of cool if the human Tyrael thing was a setup for Tyrael being a big badass boss in the end. Like even though it looked like Tyrael was casting off his wings to become mortal, it was actually Tyrael casting off what he thought of as his weak self (his compassion for humanity) and being reborn in the Crystalline Spire while everyone else is too busy tending with Diablo.

The previous Archangel of Wisdom was killed by Tyrael as he directly violated the laws of the Heavens and had to be brought to justice. But as the archangel faded, he touched Tyrael in a way that Tyrael began to feel compassion for humanity.

Through the events of Diablo 2, he ends up destroying the Worldstone, believing at the time that it was the right thing to do. But as the Worldstone shattered, so did the implanted beliefs that Tyrael had about having to protect humanity.

As he spent the next 10+ years reforming, he realized that the touch of Wisdom was still inside him, and that he would need to devise a plan to be able to rid himself of it, and be able to reform as the Archangel of Justice, his true form, that would have destroyed humanity, as they were created by an unholy union of Daemon and Angelic energies.

He manipulates the Prime Evils, and through them the Coven, to engineer the events to allow him to reform as his true self.

In a future expansion, after a series of scooby-doo episodes, you end up in Heaven again, staring in utter confusion to an event which was never built up to, as the Angelic Tyrael totally owns the Human Tyrael, who then delivers a 3 minute speech on why he needs to kill you.

After a 15 minute fight (of which you spend 9 minutes in cut scenes), you defeat him, and take your 4 low level blues with you to the next difficulty level.

The END.
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here's why tyrael doesn't do anything. plain and simple,
Are you listening? the game is about us, the nephalem, not tyrael. next time blizzard should make tyrael the playable character so he does something instead of "sitting in town the whole time"....btw in diablo 2 act 4 did you see tyrael out there kicking the snot out of people? no, he stood in town, and gave us quests.
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here's why tyrael doesn't do anything. plain and simple,
Are you listening? the game is about us, the nephalem, not tyrael. next time blizzard should make tyrael the playable character so he does something instead of "sitting in town the whole time"....btw in diablo 2 act 4 did you see tyrael out there kicking the snot out of people? no, he stood in town, and gave us quests.


Tyrael was bound by angelic law in Diablo 2 not to aid the hero directly save for a few bits of wisdom (i.e. quest-giving). In Diablo 3 the WHOLE !@#$%^- POINT of him ripping off his wings and falling from heaven and causing all kinds of problems in Act 1 is that now he can intervene directly on humanity's behalf.

Yes, duh, the story is supposed to be about the player character. But the plot in Diablo 3 for some bizarre reason puts Tyrael in a position where he's supposedly sacrificed his immortality and a chunk of his power in order to aid us directly.... but he doesn't really, aside from advancing the plot along when the writers couldn't figure out how to get us to the next spot. If the nephalem is badass enough to kill the sum of all evil in one (excessively feminine) body, why can't the nephalem fart in the direction of the demon gate and blast it to pieces?
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tyrael states at the end of act 1 when you give him his sword that he remembers the warning he came to deliver.
Imperios forbade him from interfering again and tyrael believes that he must warn us (badass nephalem) about the coming evil. this is probably the primary reason he gets rid of his immortality because he wants humans to have a chance. he came to warn us about belial and azmodan. So informing us of the knowledge is his way of directly aiding us.
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tl;dr "I don't like Tyrael cuz he's black now"
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tyrael states at the end of act 1 when you give him his sword that he remembers the warning he came to deliver.
Imperios forbade him from interfering again and tyrael believes that he must warn us (badass nephalem) about the coming evil. this is probably the primary reason he gets rid of his immortality because he wants humans to have a chance. he came to warn us about belial and azmodan. So informing us of the knowledge is his way of directly aiding us.

And what worldwide threat were Belial and Azmodan until we almost handed them the black soulstone, anyway?

Tyrael really caused all the trouble by setting us on that journey in the first place.
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belial was already in caldeum. he would have found the blacksoulstone sooner or later without us knowing then he would have been the prime or w/e and destroyed everything while we're sucking our thumbs in whatever bumbhole of a town we were in.
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Tyreal just got nerfed... hard... why shouldn't he felt sad and whine? I know I do when Blizzard nerfed us...
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It's never explicitly stated, but I believe the Worldstone was what made it so that whenever something evil came into the world something good would be made to destroy the evil and vice versa.

So, the worldstone gets destroyed, and now evil can run amok through Sanctuary. Angels decide to not intervene, and through Angel hierarchy they probably could have kept Tyreal from intervening also (not sure how much free will the Angel's get, seems like quite a bit). So, then he casts off his Angelic reigns to join Sanctuary as a mortal that can act to help save humanity.

Act I he's pretty much inept from loss of memory, but then when he gets his memory back he is there to warn us about the coming danger of Belial in Caldeum. Everyone that cares had probably already headed to Bastion's Keep to fight Azmodan's forces.

The rest of the game you're progressively displaying how that since you are a mix between Angel's and Demon's that you are more powerful than either one.

Act II Tyreal is helping Leah, and providing some guidance.

Act III Tyreal actually helps you for the fight across the bridge, thus making him the second most active character fighting beside you besides Leah.

Act IV Tyreal falls to pieces when Hope is captured, but so does EVERYONE but the hero. If you listen to all the townspeople they think the world is over, then when you beat hope they all have extra pep in their step.

Ultimately the game seems to revolve around displaying the fact that *you* are the most powerful being in heaven, hell, or sanctuary. Everyone else is just helping you.
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Ok...first we have to define the word "mortal."

If the question is more easily answered by "he's a human" then he's a human.
If the question is more easily answered by "he's an angel" then he's an angel.

Therefore, definition:
If the question is answered by either "he's a human" or "he's an angel" then he's a mortal.

Example:

"Why does Tyrael look human?"

The answer is "he's a human." Since this is in the definition of mortal, you can respond "he's a mortal."

"Why did Tyreal lose his memory when he dropped his sword?"

The answer is "he's a angel." Since this is in the definition of mortal, you can respond "he's a mortal."

"Why did Tyreal wuss out at the start of Act 4?"

The answer is "he's a angel." Since this is in the definition of mortal, you can respond "he's a mortal."

Now, for a practical application:

07/07/2012 02:00 AMPosted by Deuce
How did Tyrael get armor by picking up his sword? How powerful is that sword?And why is the sword able to be wielded by a mortal?


1. He's a mortal.
2. His sword can open doors.
3. It could always have been held by a mortal.
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but tyrael himself has stated he likes being able to die as it makes life more exciting
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07/06/2012 06:28 PMPosted by Kujas
It's never explicitly stated, but I believe the Worldstone was what made it so that whenever something evil came into the world something good would be made to destroy the evil and vice versa.

So, the worldstone gets destroyed, and now evil can run amok through Sanctuary. Angels decide to not intervene, and through Angel hierarchy they probably could have kept Tyreal from intervening also (not sure how much free will the Angel's get, seems like quite a bit). So, then he casts off his Angelic reigns to join Sanctuary as a mortal that can act to help save humanity.

Act I he's pretty much inept from loss of memory, but then when he gets his memory back he is there to warn us about the coming danger of Belial in Caldeum. Everyone that cares had probably already headed to Bastion's Keep to fight Azmodan's forces.

The rest of the game you're progressively displaying how that since you are a mix between Angel's and Demon's that you are more powerful than either one.

Act II Tyreal is helping Leah, and providing some guidance.

Act III Tyreal actually helps you for the fight across the bridge, thus making him the second most active character fighting beside you besides Leah.

Act IV Tyreal falls to pieces when Hope is captured, but so does EVERYONE but the hero. If you listen to all the townspeople they think the world is over, then when you beat hope they all have extra pep in their step.

Ultimately the game seems to revolve around displaying the fact that *you* are the most powerful being in heaven, hell, or sanctuary. Everyone else is just helping you.


i remember the world stone having to do more with nefering or corrupting nephalems then to keep evil can run amok through Sanctuary. and with the world stone being destroyed 20 years before diablo3 nephalems have started to be born again and others have now been able to gain the lost power of nephalems.

an before someone brings up the soul stones. they were intend to keep the diblo and his brothers from respawning black abyss but because they were able to corrupt the soul stones turning them into a portable respawn as long as there was someone for them to respawn in. and with that said with out the black soul stone and the back stabber putting them in the all 3 brother would have respawned from the black abyss around the same time tyreal respawned.

but back on topic i believe tyrael is still an angle but by removing his wings he lost his connection and power from the crystal arch. hes nothing more then a fallen angle that took the form as an human before all of powers were lost. also remember that the enchantress prophet took the form as a human at he did his teachings before sending them to sleep tell now in diblo3.
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Tyrael is the worst.
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