Diablo® III

Banning Linux Users For Using Linux...Really?

07/03/2012 01:04 AMPosted by Zao
Linux is the second most popular operating system. It's free.


It's only free if your time is worth nothing.


It was. Long time ago.
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You idiots wouldn't believe blizzard if they claimed the sky was blue and they provided a picture of the blue sky. You'd claim it was photoshopped.


well i dont see any proof from blizzard so far, except bashioks typed words.

typed words != proof

you, my friend, dont seem to have read more then 1 page on this thread


I don't see any proof from the other people except words. Words != proof.
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07/03/2012 01:04 AMPosted by Zao
Linux is the second most popular operating system. It's free.


It's only free if your time is worth nothing.


alot like painting if your time is worth nothing
and wooden furniture construction if your time is worth nothing
and minecraft if your time is worth nothing
and <insert creative/mentally challenging hobby people do to earn a sense of self achievement and improvement... or just fun here> if your time is worth nothing
07/02/2012 01:52 PMPosted by Typhuss
The irony here is that I personally know of people who openly admit to botting and their accounts are still active.

That's because bots make Blizzard money. Regular players aren't bound to keep buying new copies of the game if they're banned :)
Sigh... I wish my computer were powerful enough to run Unity + Wine + D3.
Windows isn't unusable but sometimes it's just an inconvenient pain :/


You're more likely to believe a random person that you don't know and can't judge their honesty than you are to believe Blizzard who actually has no reason to lie to you? If Bashiok is mistaken that's one thing, as he was mistaken with the world first Inferno clear and he admitted that he was mistaken a couple hours later, apologized for the confusion, and congratulated the people who got the first clear. So far he hasn't outright lied about anything though. Being mistaken and lying are two different things.

You're expecting the impossible from Blizzard though. They can't give you proof without violating someone's privacy. They can't say "Well in this specific instance we banned X user for Y, not because of Linux."


They have a pretty good reason to lie about it, Look at the commotion it has caused tonight, and now i've seen a couple gaming news sources pick it up, sourcing this thread. I'm not saying they are but atleast saying that a WINE user was banned for using this exploit, or this hack, or this bot would be nice. I never said he lied, all i said is i'm more inclined to believe these users that claim they have been banned for nothing more then using WINE (a third party program) which is a believable circumstance. I'm not asking for a specific instance, just more of "we banned a wine user for Y. Not because of linux." Once again, I'm not on either side of the fence, i'd only like some sort of proof, anything in blizzards favor will satisfy me, but i will not blindly bash the people making these claims, or defend blizzard like some people in here. I have always believed Linux should be fully supported by developers, and if there has been a wrong doing here it should be corrected. If it was justified there are ways to show evidence without sacrificing privacy.


Those same news sources covered the imaginary "account compromise through public games" / "account compromise through authenticators" fiasco as well. So really I personally wouldn't trust those particular news sources.


well i dont see any proof from blizzard so far, except bashioks typed words.

typed words != proof

you, my friend, dont seem to have read more then 1 page on this thread


I don't see any proof from the other people except words. Words != proof.


"Thank you for contacting us. An additional review of the action taken against the Diablo III account on not_really_real@emailaddress.com has been completed. We have confirmed our initial findings, and the account action will not be reversed or changed.

Actions are based on the violation's severity and take previous violations into consideration. This action was taken in accordance with the Terms of Use (us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/) and our Diablo III Policies (us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-policies), which all players acknowledge and agree to before logging into the game.

We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to enjoy their time in Diablo III. Thank you for respecting our position. "

____________________________________________________________________________

"Greetings Marcus,

Unauthorized third party software was found to be being used on your account. Because this is a breach of the terms of service, we will not be providing a refund to you, and the license is permenantly banned. As this issue has been reviewed by multiple representatives, it is now considered closed. Should you have any questions regarding a different account or issue, please feel free to contact us again. However, further inquiries regarding this issue will no longer receive a reply.

Regards,

Ben B.
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment "

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CS responses posted on the wine forum

"Third party software was found" not WHAT third party this is or what this 3rd party software was supposed to have done

^

IF they ban some1, they should at least have the decency to tell them exactly why.

"we found 3rd party software on your computer, thats why u got banned and now gtfo" does NOT qualify for that imo..
Edited by brogo#2717 on 7/3/2012 1:16 AM PDT
07/03/2012 01:10 AMPosted by gloom
The irony here is that I personally know of people who openly admit to botting and their accounts are still active.

That's because bots make Blizzard money. Regular players aren't bound to keep buying new copies of the game if they're banned :)


Is it just me or does that not make sense? If botting makes Blizzard money because botters are more likely to buy new copies when they get banned doesn't that mean that Blizzard would want to be banning more botters and not regular players?
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07/03/2012 01:10 AMPosted by gloom
The irony here is that I personally know of people who openly admit to botting and their accounts are still active.

That's because bots make Blizzard money. Regular players aren't bound to keep buying new copies of the game if they're banned :)


somewhat true... but you have to wonder if blizzard made any profit when they paid out the people responsible for providing bots and wowgold to wow players in exchange for lists of the players that breached the terms and conditions...
07/03/2012 01:13 AMPosted by brogo
"Third party software was found" not WHAT third party this is or what this 3rd party software was supposed to have done


"We found that you were using X bot in this manner, and that's why you got banned"

They don't tell you this because then you know exactly how and why you got banned, and it defeats the purpose of booting the botter, because then they know how to get around that kind of ban.


They have a pretty good reason to lie about it, Look at the commotion it has caused tonight, and now i've seen a couple gaming news sources pick it up, sourcing this thread. I'm not saying they are but atleast saying that a WINE user was banned for using this exploit, or this hack, or this bot would be nice. I never said he lied, all i said is i'm more inclined to believe these users that claim they have been banned for nothing more then using WINE (a third party program) which is a believable circumstance. I'm not asking for a specific instance, just more of "we banned a wine user for Y. Not because of linux." Once again, I'm not on either side of the fence, i'd only like some sort of proof, anything in blizzards favor will satisfy me, but i will not blindly bash the people making these claims, or defend blizzard like some people in here. I have always believed Linux should be fully supported by developers, and if there has been a wrong doing here it should be corrected. If it was justified there are ways to show evidence without sacrificing privacy.


Those same news sources covered the imaginary "account compromise through public games" / "account compromise through authenticators" fiasco as well. So really I personally wouldn't trust those particular news sources.


Did i say i do trust those sources, i only used it as an exaple as to why they would avoid this situation. Obviously the news source is no more reliable then this thread, seeing how they cited this thread.....
Edited by Ironlord#1482 on 7/3/2012 1:18 AM PDT

IF they ban some1, they should at least have the decency to tell them exactly why.

"we found 3rd party software on your computer, thats why u got banned and now gtfo" does NOT qualify for that imo..


Welcome to the world of Blizzard games where people have never ever ever been told exactly why they've been banned or what third party programs they've been detected using. As far back as StarCraft they've banned people and given reasons like that rather than specifics.


I don't see any proof from the other people except words. Words != proof.


"Thank you for contacting us. An additional review of the action taken against the Diablo III account on not_really_real@emailaddress.com has been completed. We have confirmed our initial findings, and the account action will not be reversed or changed.

Actions are based on the violation's severity and take previous violations into consideration. This action was taken in accordance with the Terms of Use (us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/) and our Diablo III Policies (us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-policies), which all players acknowledge and agree to before logging into the game.

We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to enjoy their time in Diablo III. Thank you for respecting our position. "

____________________________________________________________________________

"Greetings Marcus,

Unauthorized third party software was found to be being used on your account. Because this is a breach of the terms of service, we will not be providing a refund to you, and the license is permenantly banned. As this issue has been reviewed by multiple representatives, it is now considered closed. Should you have any questions regarding a different account or issue, please feel free to contact us again. However, further inquiries regarding this issue will no longer receive a reply.

Regards,

Ben B.
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment "

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CS responses posted on the wine forum

"Third party software was found" not WHAT third party this is or what this 3rd party software was supposed to have done

^

IF they ban some1, they should at least have the decency to tell them exactly why.

"we found 3rd party software on your computer, thats why u got banned and now gtfo" does NOT qualify for that imo..


What exactly does that prove? How often does a company go... well you see you exploited by doing this. Don't tell anyone else about it ok?

I will reiterate that there have been several WINE users in this thread claiming they have not been banned. There was obviously something more than WINE involved in all of this.


I don't see any proof from the other people except words. Words != proof.


"Thank you for contacting us. An additional review of the action taken against the Diablo III account on not_really_real@emailaddress.com has been completed. We have confirmed our initial findings, and the account action will not be reversed or changed.

Actions are based on the violation's severity and take previous violations into consideration. This action was taken in accordance with the Terms of Use (us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/) and our Diablo III Policies (us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-policies), which all players acknowledge and agree to before logging into the game.

We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to enjoy their time in Diablo III. Thank you for respecting our position. "

____________________________________________________________________________

"Greetings Marcus,

Unauthorized third party software was found to be being used on your account. Because this is a breach of the terms of service, we will not be providing a refund to you, and the license is permenantly banned. As this issue has been reviewed by multiple representatives, it is now considered closed. Should you have any questions regarding a different account or issue, please feel free to contact us again. However, further inquiries regarding this issue will no longer receive a reply.

Regards,

Ben B.
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment "

____________________________________________________________________________

CS responses posted on the wine forum

"Third party software was found" not WHAT third party this is or what this 3rd party software was supposed to have done

^

IF they ban some1, they should at least have the decency to tell them exactly why.

"we found 3rd party software on your computer, thats why u got banned and now gtfo" does NOT qualify for that imo..


What if this software doesn't have a formal name? is imbedded in something else? etc

Really, catching the cheaters but not letting them know how they got caught is smart.


Those same news sources covered the imaginary "account compromise through public games" / "account compromise through authenticators" fiasco as well. So really I personally wouldn't trust those particular news sources.


Did i say i do trust those sources, i only used it as an exaple as to why they would avoid this situation. Obviously the news source is no more reliable then this thread, seeing how they cited this thread.....


Blizzard has a lot more to lose by lying about the situation. If they lied about the situation and got caught it would be pretty disastrous. Where if Warden picked up a false positive they could just say "Woops, false positive. Sorry folks, you know how it is with Linux, billion configs and all that, working on it! <3"
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CS responses posted on the wine forum

"Third party software was found" not WHAT third party this is or what this 3rd party software was supposed to have done

^

IF they ban some1, they should at least have the decency to tell them exactly why.

"we found 3rd party software on your computer, thats why u got banned and now gtfo" does NOT qualify for that imo..


wait... so if blizzard have not specified exactly what piece of software was responsible for the ban, how can you be sure WINE is responsible?
you cant. your just making assumptions based on what the people banned have in common.
and i doubt these people would openly say they all shared cheating hacks in common


Did i say i do trust those sources, i only used it as an exaple as to why they would avoid this situation. Obviously the news source is no more reliable then this thread, seeing how they cited this thread.....


Blizzard has a lot more to lose by lying about the situation. If they lied about the situation and got caught it would be pretty disastrous. Where if Warden picked up a false positive they could just say "Woops, false positive. Sorry folks, you know how it is with Linux, billion configs and all that, working on it! <3"


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