Diablo® III

Banning Linux Users For Using Linux...Really?

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You sir get retard of the day award, salutations!


Yet you didn't cite which part of the quoted post you disagreed with. A clear sign of a troll.




From the winehq site, obviously you know better...

Warden scans certain offsets in memory, imagine wine allocated that memory where warden does not look for it. Omg, warden thinks, hackzz111!!1! The hashes are not correct. Warden then calls up blizz headquarters and some innocent linux user is banned.

Mystery solved...

Unjustly banned users request reversal of actions caused by a misunderstanding/refunds, case re-opened, Blizzard should further investigate.
You will wish you had rallied for Blizzard to change their ways when they start banning for having an application like Steam running while playing the game and refuse to look any further into it after you open a ticket.
People have invested a lot of time and for some, a lot of money into this game and bans should not be thrown around so carelessly, at least not if they won't personally investigate matters when someone cares enough to open a ticket about it.


Don't be so quick to judge me, friend. I am a die hard linux user. I just explained the most probable cause of the bans. Yes, the accounts should be reinstated.
07/02/2012 02:01 PMPosted by SpecialisToL
Umm.. You are running the game in an emulator. It is possible to use that mechanism to cheat. Linux is not supported by the game, so basically you are someone who uses unsupported third party software which can be used to cheat. There isn't anything mysterious about the ban.


FFS - your running the game via APIs in OSX and Windows that can be intercepted. No different to changing Linux wine layer stuff.
Lol, what is going on with Blizzard lately. They're letting through so many silly errors...do you know how you could cancel auctions by changing the time of your computer a few days back? Yeah, those kind of mistakes...


Not supported VS Not allowed.

If it said on the box that linux was bannable than so be it. Saying it isn't supported means JACK !@#$. Their are countless things in most games that aren't supported hardware wise and yet the game CAN be made to work fine. If blizzard doesn't want people using linux or some other os than they need to clearly state that it isn't just not supported but it's also BANNABLE.


Okay let's take another look at the box here good sir.

System REQUIREMENTS

PC: etc
MAC: etc
PC/MAC: etc

Do you see an 'other' category? No? Then I guess that means you don't meet the REQUIREMENTS with which to play this game. If you go to an amusement park and it says "You must be this tall to ride" and you're not tall enough do you complain that it doesn't specify that people your exact height can't ride?


Requirements are not the same thing as being required in general. Especially since that area is HARDWARE related and not about the Operating System, it just separates it via OS because Macs use different hardware/names.
Look at it from blizzards point of view.

A. You are running the game from a operating system that they did not design it(or the anti-cheat) for.
B. You are running it from a program that EMULATES(yes it emulates) a windows environment.
C. You are running it while another Third Party Program accesses it.(since WINE isnt really windows it would fall under the category of a Third Party Program)

This means that all the things they have the anti-cheat(WARDEN) checking for probably can be faked or changed allowing major cheatage. Think about it, you have a open source version of windows, you could(with coding knowledge) modify it so that it allows you to cheat and reports to warden "everything ok, no cheating here"
07/02/2012 02:01 PMPosted by SpecialisToL
Umm.. You are running the game in an emulator. It is possible to use that mechanism to cheat. Linux is not supported by the game, so basically you are someone who uses unsupported third party software which can be used to cheat. There isn't anything mysterious about the ban.


Please stop posting bull!@#$ like this.

It simply isn't true.
Blizzard has in the past actually given out specific support (Namely WoW) for wine and there has been zero indication that they have been banning for it's usage asides from some posts which have no real evidence behind them.
Look at it from blizzards point of view.

A. You are running the game from a operating system that they did not design it(or the anti-cheat) for.
B. You are running it from a program that EMULATES(yes it emulates) a windows environment.
C. You are running it while another Third Party Program accesses it.(since WINE isnt really windows it would fall under the category of a Third Party Program)

This means that all the things they have the anti-cheat(WARDEN) checking for probably can be faked or changed allowing major cheatage. Think about it, you have a open source version of windows, you could(with coding knowledge) modify it so that it allows you to cheat and reports to warden "everything ok, no cheating here"


A. B. and C. are all resolved if you realize Wine isn't an emulator. It runs windows APIs.

When users think of an emulator, they tend to think of things like game console emulators or virtualization software. However, Wine is a compatibility layer - it runs Windows applications in much the same way Windows does. There is no inherent loss of speed due to "emulation" when using Wine, nor is there a need to open Wine before running your application.
That said, Wine can be thought of as a Windows emulator in much the same way that Windows Vista can be thought of as a Windows XP emulator: both allow you to run the same applications by translating system calls in much the same way. Setting Wine to mimic Windows XP is not much different from setting Vista to launch an application in XP compatibility mode.
afaik you can only use mac or windows

Windows® XP/Vista/7 (latest service packs) with DX 9.0c
Mac® OS X 10.6.8, 10.7.x or newer
Edited by Tgod#1757 on 7/2/2012 7:12 PM PDT
I could understand if the system prevented players logging in using wine and then they could just say to use Windows or Mac but not to ban them. They could just send an email to the accounts of people it thinks are using wine and just say something along the lines of

"We have detected you are using an unsupported OS and our system flags it as being a potential security issue. Please switch to a supported OS or your account may be banned for violation." Something like that.

If the person still did it then that would totally be on them because they were warned.
Wow. We need a blue post NOW. I'm about to cancel my WoW subscription. I'm getting tired of Blizzard. They are not the same company they used to be.
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This means that all the things they have the anti-cheat(WARDEN) checking for probably can be faked or changed allowing major cheatage. Think about it, you have a open source version of windows, you could(with coding knowledge) modify it so that it allows you to cheat and reports to warden "everything ok, no cheating here"


So do you have a theory as to why this is the case in 1/3 of blizzard's games, and not the case in the other 2/3? Warden also tends to be information gathering only, and cheat identification is server side. Running under wine or under the native os doesn't really buy you anything in terms of warden evasion.
Edited by mescyn#1807 on 7/2/2012 7:25 PM PDT
Decided to post here to voice my opinion.

To start: The only reason I have Windows installed is to play games. The only reason I'm not in Linux right now is because I was levelling my wizard in D3 tonight. I didn't realise that Diablo 3 ran well under Wine, but if I had, I would have probably been playing it under that, completely unaware that my account would be at risk of being banned.

From a technical standpoint, I can see no decent reason to ban players just for using Wine. As long as the game files are passing their checks, and no other processes are interfering with the game, then the game should be considered unmodified and fine to run.

Even if you don't want players to use Wine to play, if you can detect it, just prevent them from connecting when they attempt to run the game under Wine. There's no need to ban their accounts after they've paid good money for their game; that's a great way to make sure that those people never buy your games again. Even if they're a tiny percentage of your target audience, treating your customers badly has a habit of reflecting poorly on the company as a whole.

And for those who keep using the word 'emulator', I don't think you know what that word means. Wine itself is an acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator - And indeed it's not an emulator, it's a compatibility layer. It provides Windows applications with translated system calls, rather than attempting to emulate a full Windows environment.
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07/02/2012 07:22 PMPosted by Oakie
Wow. We need a blue post NOW. I'm about to cancel my WoW subscription. I'm getting tired of Blizzard. They are not the same company they used to be.


I disagree.

http://slashdot.org/story/06/11/15/1652222/linux-users-banned-from-world-of-warcraft

Seems like the exact same company they used to be.
07/02/2012 07:26 PMPosted by Herbburglar
Wow. We need a blue post NOW. I'm about to cancel my WoW subscription. I'm getting tired of Blizzard. They are not the same company they used to be.


I disagree.

http://slashdot.org/story/06/11/15/1652222/linux-users-banned-from-world-of-warcraft

Seems like the exact same company they used to be.


They reversed that though and unbanned those users.
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