Diablo® III

Magic Find affects # of affix on rares?

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Edit - If any Blizzard community representative can clarify and comment on this, this would be much appreciated. (For example - it states 1 affix rares but that is impossible.)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/items/equipment#magic-find
"Item quality is checked in the following order:
*Legendary
*6-affix rare
*5-affix rare
*4-affix rare
*2-affix rare
*1-affix rare
*magic item

Using the above example, when your roll ‘misses’ a higher-level item quality, the item generator proceeds to the next lowest item quality in the chain (in this case, checking to see if you got a 6-affix rare, then checking for a 5-affix rare, and so on). Your magic find bonus applies to each roll. If the same monster has a 10% chance to drop a 5-affix rare item and you have 50% magic find, you now have a 15% chance to get a 5-affix rare item."


I thought it only affected whether a white item would be a blue, a blue item a rare, a rare item a legendary.

So, not only does it affect that (because I usually see 2-3+ rares with 300%+ MF with 5 NV) but it also affects the potential number of affixes a rare has?

If true, should unidentified items have the number of affixes displayed (mainly for buying/trading unidentified items)? The main reason is because that means there are potentially better unid rares with higher MF than with lower MF (more affixes).

(Besides that, seems unid selling/buying has slowed down since that topic that analyzed it was posted and being able to sell unid with 5 affixes [if shown] would possibly boost unid trading again.)

(Also, please "like" this post so we may get a higher chance of getting a response from a community representative.)

Edit 2 - It seems a bit unfair that MF hugely affects affix rates (if they do, they should be shown on the item even unid - to make it fair for unid buyers).

That's why 6 prop crafting plans are more expensive than 4 or 5 prop crafting plans - because generally more affixes = better items most of the time (which is worth more).

For example - Sure you can get an item with +75 AR, +9% crit, + 50% crit damage... but you could get an item that has +75AR, +9% crit, +50% crit damage, +9% attack speed, +200 DEX, and +200 VIT instead (which would be worth 10x more than the former).

With the way things are set up, it seems too required to either MF swap or use MF in general.
Edited by Bread#1353 on 7/13/2012 6:47 AM PDT
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Bump + Anyone else realized this before (was it widely known before)?
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i didnt know that if thats true i hate blizzard even more
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So are you saying it's not a good idea to buy UNID from people who dont have mf gear?
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wow. ok hmmm... something to think about.
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ridiculously lame since it benefits to those that can mf swap gear on last hit
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Yep, dumbest crap ever. If you're a melee you can't switch without being melted.
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I thought that it was impossible for rares to have fewer than 3 affixes? I thought rares had a minimum of 3, while blues had a maximum of 3.
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Yeah it was news to me, and Bashiok explaining MF a few weeks ago didn't mention it at all.

Their game guide has so many errors in it, though, so it's hard to say for sure. And yes, that includes the new info added just yesterday.

edit: plus it says it rolls to determine if an item will be legendary or not. Players on the forum have shown that there are legendary items of a level where "normal" items don't exist, so it's not a modification of said item but rather a completely unique drop.

(Like if there's a level 10 axe and a level 20 axe, but nothing in between. How would a level 15 legendary axe exist as a modification if there's no regular level 15 axes)
Edited by SirNacho#1875 on 7/13/2012 2:53 AM PDT
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Except whatever blizz mod posted this is a moron, since 1 affix rares do not exist.
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i got a lvl 61 rare with 2 affixes; +12 min damage, - 10% or 12% CC
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so basically unles you have max magic find ur items will be !@#$ ?
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Just do away with MF already.

What a totally redundant mechanic.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAreSOCyDw&feature=g-u-u

This explains it. If you like to watch them silly moving picture shows.
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07/13/2012 03:29 AMPosted by DeadPuppy
You people have 0 comprehension skills. Mf effects your chance of an enemy dropping magical/rare/legendary. It in no way effects the affixes on the item, they are rolled randomly. 6 affix rare - ilvl62-63.
Speaking of comprehension skills, did you actually read the OP or the link?

The game guide on this website, written by Blizzard, very clearly states that MF DOES affect the roll to determine number of affixes.

Using the above example, when your roll ‘misses’ a higher-level item quality, the item generator proceeds to the next lowest item quality in the chain (in this case, checking to see if you got a 6-affix rare, then checking for a 5-affix rare, and so on). Your magic find bonus applies to each roll. If the same monster has a 10% chance to drop a 5-affix rare item and you have 50% magic find, you now have a 15% chance to get a 5-affix rare item.

Whether it is true or not is another story, but if we take what Blizzard says on face value, rational "comprehension", as you put it, says that MF does affect the number of affixes on an item.
Edited by Pathologic#1340 on 7/13/2012 3:38 AM PDT
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Good god. MF increases ur chance to get a higher quality item. Obviously a 6 affix item is of higher quality than a 5 affix item. However, MF does NOT in any way roll better stats of those 5 or 6 affixes.

You can still get a 5 affix item with 100str, 100vit, crit dmg socket and whatever with 0 MF or a legendary with 200MF.

MF doesn't have any effect on affix rolls which in the end makes or brakes an item. You can have 100 affixes, but if they are all crap the item is worthless.
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Good god. MF increases ur chance to get a higher quality item. Obviously a 6 affix item is of higher quality than a 5 affix item. However, MF does NOT in any way roll better stats of those 5 or 6 affixes.

You can still get a 5 affix item with 100str, 100vit, crit dmg socket and whatever with 0 MF or a legendary with 200MF.

MF doesn't have any effect on affix rolls which in the end makes or brakes an item. You can have 100 affixes, but if they are all crap the item is worthless.

And you can have 100% good rolls, but if you have only 4 affixes the item is no good either.
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Good god. MF increases ur chance to get a higher quality item. Obviously a 6 affix item is of higher quality than a 5 affix item. However, MF does NOT in any way roll better stats of those 5 or 6 affixes.

You can still get a 5 affix item with 100str, 100vit, crit dmg socket and whatever with 0 MF or a legendary with 200MF.

MF doesn't have any effect on affix rolls which in the end makes or brakes an item. You can have 100 affixes, but if they are all crap the item is worthless.

And you can have 100% good rolls, but if you have only 4 affixes the item is no good either.


Really? So shoulders with perfect stats as you say (100% good rolls) and four affixes,
300str,
150vit,
70all resist
60 fire ress is !@#$ compared to a 6 affix shoulder item with

100str
50dex
50int
20all res
10 cold res
ignores durability

Yeah I think so too.
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