Diablo® III

Wow, i never thought about it but this makes perfect sense to me that this is happening. If you swap to MF gear and anything summoned with your previous gear gets the last hit then that gear MF value is used for the drops. It makes perfect sense when i play with my WD pets why i get such inconsistent drops with my 375% max MF.

See WD's have known all about the summoning and swapping mechanics. before they nerfed the pets in 1.04 many users would swap in all their super high CC and bleed gear, summon the pets, then swap to normal gear and play. the whole time they walked around their pets would proc everything until they died. I discovered this accidentally months ago when i took off my fear helm and everything kept getting feared by my pets.

So it makes perfect sense that MF could work the same, if your pet had 0% mf gear on when cast and does the last hit, then 0%mf is used even if you swap in 375% gear while its happening.

I will drop the pets again and play some tonight and see if things feel more consistent.

of course this only applies to swappers, some people do it, some people complain about it. I never did it until i read the blizzard dev blog where they admitted they knew people would do it and they didn't care. That was a green light in my book and your just plain stupid to not swap. (but please DO NOT SWAP! it will just flood the AH with more good items and drive prices down, and for gods sake we don't want that to happen!)

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This topic isn't about swapping gear but the lack of Magic Find when the Hydra spell hits or kills anything. I used to farm with 300% MF without stacks so 375% max.(after patch 1.0.4)
It just felt about the same to me with or without MF...Wich made me quite upset considering how many millions of gold I spent on the MF gear and afterwards having to buy other gear again.

^ That's an interesting theory. Didn't really think about gear swapping. I'll test this again tonight, too, though I would be very surprised if pets get MF. I assumed it would be like if a party member kills the creature - your MF is your MF regardless.

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This topic isn't about swapping gear but the lack of Magic Find when the Hydra spell hits or kills anything. I used to farm with 300% MF without stacks so 375% max.(after patch 1.0.4)
It just felt about the same to me with or without MF...Wich made me quite upset considering how many millions of gold I spent on the MF gear and afterwards having to buy other gear again.

Well, this was just tested a few posts back and it seems to be working fine. If you'd like to get some numbers yourself, perhaps you can find a different result.

Cross posting from the thread in the bug report forum:

I just ran a test myself. Ran with 284% magic find, including 5 stacks of nephalem valor. I didn't distinguish between blue glowing guys and yellow glowing guys. I alternated between killing with direct damage dealing spells and having the killing blow dealt with arcane hydra. Here's the data of amount of yellows dropped from the last kill in a blue pack or the main guy in a yellow pack. 14 kills, 7 with hydra, 7 without:

without hydra: (2,3,3,4,3,3,3)
with hydra: (3,3,3,3,2,3,4)

Thanks!!

Hey look... exactly the same number of rares. 66.7% of your drops.

Applying a confidence interval of 95%, we can say your chance of rares is about 48%-85%. If you had no MF at all, you would have gotten only 30% rares. I think you've settled this for me.

Edit: By the way, expected percentage of rare drops at 285 MF is ~48%.

09/06/2012 08:23 AMPosted by BryanCCVB

I would say that WD pets also have this problem, every time my garg scores the KB on an elite, it is no where comparable to when I get the KB.

Nope, proved last night that it's working.

Farmed act II with a CM build and lightning hydra, I'm PL 12, got zero yellows as I got paragon 1-5, then got 2 yellows once I killed an elite after being paragon 5, not with hydra. Next elite pack after that - no yellows. At that point, thoroughly disgusted, I went to Act I with a hydraless build, easily got 2x as many yellows for the same amount of elites killed.

Maybe it's just bad luck or my imagination. It's certainly not rigorous testing. But I will be either farming Act I on my wiz with hydraless build, or leveling my alts, until we get definitive word on this.

Were you simply not killing elite packs to retain 5 NV stacks while farming from 1-5 paragon...? 5NV stacks alone GUARANTEES at least 1 yellow drop per elite pack killed, regardless of base MF or gear/familiar/summon used to kill the pack.

Your test is incredibly flawed, and your farming method is extremely inefficient. You *must* have 5 NV stacks at all times while farming or it's totally inefficient. 5 NV is simply too good to forgo. That you received *ZERO* yellow drops from paragon levels 1-5 necessarily implies you were *not* farming at 5 stacks. Fix that next time you go farming.

Actually, reading his original post I'm pretty sure he just mistakenly typed "I'm PL 12, got zero yellows as I got paragon 1-5, then got 2 yellows once I killed an elite after being paragon 5, not with hydra. Next elite pack after that - no yellows." I think he meant NV 1-5, then at 5 stacks...

One of the things people have to be careful with is the "pack" he killed with a 5 stack is probably one of the named mobs that actually *isn't* considered a pack kill. Some of them have friends, but there's no guarantee of a yellow.

09/06/2012 09:32 AMPosted by DiGiTLMaN

That was a green light in my book and your just plain stupid to not swap. (but please DO NOT SWAP! it will just flood the AH with more good items and drive prices down, and for gods sake we don't want that to happen!)

Personally, I think it's an annoyance to swap. Since I'm running 346 MF now, there's very little benefit from it, regardless (OK, 6.5% increase to be exact).

Can you check for other spells such as for Corpse Spiders please? I suspect that Corpse Spiders last hits don't account for the WD's MF when spells like Zombie Chargers do. Thank you for taking this matter seriously.

Does it have to be inferno? Or can somone run tests on like normal to speed up the process and get a huge set of data?

Now that we have testers showing two types of data, and we know Blizzard's checking on this...lets all just sit back and wait for the blue speak to give us something new to discuss, rather than going back over the same ground...

well here my input anyway..
since the day the 1.04 patch i have not gotten one..
not one leg. item..
and i have made several posts about not getting any rares as well..
and everyone told me RNG is RNG....now i reas this...removed hydra from
my bar...and i have found one every other run in act 3..
i went a LONG time without finding ANY leg. items...and a UNREAL amount of yellow drops.

i once went 2 runs and seen 2 ilvl63's ( yes i know mf does not matter on ilvl's but at 300%
some of the HUNDREDS of ilvl63 blues i found should have went yellow.

with hydra gone i once again fill my stash with ilvl63's and pick up leg. items.

hydra MUST be a bug as there is NO WAY i go from 300% mf ( with nv and follower ) and getting nothing to 90%mf on me now (+whatever i get from my 14% from follower and nv stacks )to getting leg. and yellows dropping like rain.

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You say that when you took Hydra off you bar, you got a legendary every other clear. Well, when I heard of this, I took Hydra off my bar as well. That was three days ago, and haven't had a legendary drop yet. This is no swap, A3, and 320 MF. Variance is variance?

^

You say that when you took Hydra off you bar, you got a legendary every other clear. Well, when I heard of this, I took Hydra off my bar as well. That was three days ago, and haven't had a legendary drop yet. This is no swap, A3, and 320 MF. Variance is variance?

also removed my MF...gave up on thinking it helped..
maybe you should try that as well...
also stopped killing every mob on the screen...
and i would believe variance is variance thing..
but there is NO WAY i go from 0 with 300% to every other run at 90%..
NO WAY...think about that for a minute...i kill EVERY mob in act 3..get nothing..
i skip 90% of the mobs..and remove 99% of my MF and they start dropping.
somethign is wrong...dont know 100% that its hydra...but im not convinced its not anymore.

Thank you for the confirmation, Vaeflare! :)

So can I put my tin foil hat away now then?

thank you blue.

thanks Vaeflare!!

Confirmed.

Full A3 Run in 308%MF (incl NV5), i have an inventory FULL of i50s.

With NV5, goblins dropping one, bosses 2 rares, usually sub i58.

THis is now confirmed. Youre fuked, if ure trying to farm with:

- Hydra
- Sparkflint-Familiar
- Summons via Legendaries

Either of the above get the last hit, your entire MF is ignored.

GG

"Confirmed" huh?
See Blue response above.

You're 1 run of A3 doesn't confirm squat.
Wish idiots like these would stay off the forums and not perpetuate invalid claims.

With a Blue response confirming mf is working with those skills, how many of you who were freaking out over it will man up and admit you were wrong?

None.

well here my input anyway..
since the day the 1.04 patch i have not gotten one..
not one leg. item..
and everyone told me RNG is RNG....now i reas this...removed hydra from
my bar...and i have found one every other run in act 3..

09/06/2012 12:45 PMPosted by Vaeflare

and after running internal tests, we have confirmed that the Hydra and other pets are properly using the player’s MF when they land the killing blow.

Hey, guy. RNG is RNG.

Not true.

I will say, Okay. I wasn't right. I also had the feel that Hydra doesn't give MF. But... range seems to be range. And tbh, You start to doubt on things when those threads come up over and over again.

Still... Vaeflare says, there is no Hydra-bug, so I believe Blizz...