Diablo® III

D3 vs TL2 failed arguments!

Compiled here is a list of arguments from both sides regarding Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 that I never EVER want to see on this forum again.
Diablo 3

TL2 is for cheaters! Claiming that the modding engine is anything but great makes you look like a juvenile troll. Firstly, get out from under your rock and visit a site called Twitch TV. Notice the most popular games on the Stream are LOL, Dota 2 and Day Z. Oh wait, but those are all mods of an original game! The fact is mods are the heart and soul of the PC Gaming industry, and it's one of the few advantages that they have over console gaming. To somehow come up with a reasoning inside your pee brain that it is a negative thing just shows that you probably should have been aborted.

The graphics in TL2 suck. This is about as intelligent as going to a museum, looking at a water colour painting and a photograph and then saying the painting is inferior because it looks "less real". If you don't like the graphics just say that, but in know way do they objectively suck. It's just your taste.

TL2 is imbalanced, and blizzard at least tries to balance the classes. To this I say who the hell cares, it's an ARPG. Do you think your precious D3 will ever qualify as an Esport? Saying you're good at an ARPG is like saying you're good at Lotto scratch tickets, you look stupid. All classes in any ARPG should be balanced around fun, not efficiency. This is the reason why D2 was such a success, even though Hammerdin was arguably way better than every character, you still saw Druid pet builds and Lightning Amazons, all because they balanced the game around fun.

TL2 is a kids game. First off, you can't even buy this game without a credit card. Second, just because it looks like a bag of Skittles, doesn't mean it's for kids. Street Fighter 4 has a similar colour pattern and their tournaments are held in a damn casino with an average age of around 30. Also the WoW fanbase is like some sad parody of 40 year old virgin, and they have a similar color palette.

"I love D3, I've made X $". I make about 30 dollars and hour doing boring government crap everyday, and my friend makes about 15$ sitting on his !@# playing computer games at reception. By your definition I should be having a lot more fun stamping endless paper work, but I'm not. Stop using this argument, you sound like a down syndrome drug dealer.

Torchligh 2

TL2 is the true Diablo 2 heir. It's really not. The game plays closer to a Final Fantasy/ Gauntlet Legends cross than an actual Diablo game. Just because you have some of the original staff, does not make this game in any way like the original franchise.

But TL2 only costs 20 dollars! Honestly who the hell cares. So D3 cost me 2 hours of work, and TL 2 cost me just above 1/2 hour. When I'm about to dump hundreds of hours into a game, I, like many other don't give a damn how much the game costs. Stop using the 20$ argument like if TL2 was 1/3 as good as D3 that they would be equal due to the cost difference.

Diablo 3 took 10 years to make. No one cares, and this is irrelevant. Whether it takes me 2 hours to force out a dump, or I blast it out in 10 seconds, the result is still the same stinky pile of feces. This argument is just for people with nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say.
Edited by BridgeS#1891 on 9/27/2012 10:11 PM PDT
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Ironic
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good stuff there OP
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09/27/2012 09:58 PMPosted by BridgeS
TL2 is for cheaters!


D3: All the noobs exploiting this game hurt the economy a lot. Oh and BOTS!!!!!!

09/27/2012 09:58 PMPosted by BridgeS
The graphics in TL2 suck


MEH

09/27/2012 09:58 PMPosted by BridgeS
TL2 is imbalanced,


ZZZZZZZZZZ

09/27/2012 09:58 PMPosted by BridgeS
TL2 is a kids game


ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I play both games.
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09/27/2012 10:21 PMPosted by Gladius
TL2 is for cheaters!


D3: All the noobs exploiting this game hurt the economy a lot. Oh and BOTS!!!!!!

The graphics in TL2 suck


MEH

TL2 is imbalanced,


ZZZZZZZZZZ

TL2 is a kids game


ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I play both games.


I don't quite understand your post. The first sentence of every paragraph is what other people think, not myself, so quoting me on it doesn't really make any sense....
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The fun thing about Torchlight 2, is that without Diablo 3's massive shortcomings as an ARPG most people probably wouldn't have cared that TL2 even existed. I know I certainly wouldn't have, I would have happily stayed playing D3 blissfully unaware that Torchlight was even a thing.

Some people play TL2 with the full intention of hating it, and amazingly the game play converts some people, opening their eyes to how weak a game D3 is. Others sadly just cling to D3 because they don't want to feel cheated out of the time and effort the sunk into D3. They keep clinging to hope that they'll be justified for their loyalty or whatever.

People complain about the Torchlight threads, but really a sizable junk of TL2's success is because of D3's failures. People keep saying 'kiddie game' over and over and over, but while D3 may have a more realistic tone to it, the creatures and environment are devoid of personality. Nothing sticks out and everything blends together. Also doesn't help that the models are pretty tiny when playing, it's just hard to notice things in D3. I'm sure a lot of work went into the models and textures, but it's kinda hard to take it. In that sense the graphics of D3 for the most part is largely wasted.

Diablo 3 could have easily buried Torchlight 2, but instead a fair bit of conversation goes to TL2; and it's only because D3 is a lackluster ARPG.
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I don't think anyone can argue with you there Rahn. No matter how you feel about either game, TL2 recent success has a lot to do with D3's failures for a lot of people.
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I agree with Rahn, much of the success of TL2 is due to the fact that D3 was such a let down.

Interesting that people call TL2 a kiddie game. I was of the opinion that D3 was the same way. I don't remember seeing as many mutilated corpses, impaled bodies and general gore that I recall from the previous Diablo games, especially D2.
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played both, d3 is still better.
torchlight 2 is great tho, more for casuals i think.
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played both, d3 is still better.
torchlight 2 is great tho, more for casuals i think.


Unmodded you might have a case, but a mod engine instantly makes it more hardcore and mature than a game with set rules you can't change.
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played both, d3 is still better.
torchlight 2 is great tho, more for casuals i think.


Unmodded you might have a case, but a mod engine instantly makes it more hardcore and mature than a game with set rules you can't change.


well if thats your kinda thing, great.
modding doesn't really appeal to me sadly.
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Unmodded you might have a case, but a mod engine instantly makes it more hardcore and mature than a game with set rules you can't change.


well if thats your kinda thing, great.
modding doesn't really appeal to me sadly.


Yeah, I'm not saying it's a better game or anything, it just seems like it has more potential currently, although they haven't done anything yet, so time will tell.
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Whether it takes me 2 hours to force out a dump, or I blast it out in 10 seconds, the result is still the same stinky pile of feces. This argument is just for people with nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say.


careful not to give yourself a fissure.. that would suck...
other than that

+1!
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OP made me laugh
so true too
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The fun thing about Torchlight 2, is that without Diablo 3's massive shortcomings as an ARPG most people probably wouldn't have cared that TL2 even existed. I know I certainly wouldn't have, I would have happily stayed playing D3 blissfully unaware that Torchlight was even a thing.


Blizzard released diablo3 with its "massive shortcomings" and incomplete content, they had it coming. Also diablo3 sales were heavily influenced by sharing its name with diablo2.

Good post OP, same old boring arguments are an eyesore. However I dont agree with your view about how long it takes to make a 'dump' though. As a designer, we are involved in 3 parts of development. Ideation(creativity+concept), production(programing+rendering graphics) and experimentation(fine-tuning). Ideation and experimentation takes up a huge(90% total) amount of time. Lets say it really took 5 years to make D3, then +2 years would be spent fine-tuning the game. Imagine that the diablo team, in 2 years, couldn't detect anything wrong with their game but gamers could in 2 weeks...
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They also delayed release of Diablo 3 for like.. a whol fricking year because they said it wasn't ready yet... so wth was May 15?. Not to mention I played beta of D3, inspired with good hopes. Comes launch I play a whole different game and just question like... why'd you cut out so many .... features... literally features not bugs. When the RMAH opened my thoughts were... well RINGS/AMULETS are literally like JEWELRY in real life worth couple hundred here and there for cheesy knockoffs. Why? because they can't be crafted and, yeah boy was the suspicion ever true when it hit.

Rings with good stats sold like hotcakes like you wouldn't believeeeeeeeeeee. (15$ buyout, bought out like within 5 hours, 20$ buyout, my friend went 50$ buyout, my bro's friend 500$ first month of RMAH, ridiculous).

People who cashed in on the 1 mil every 5 mins on breaking urns had all the millions to stock up on rings before the patch that removed that and introduced the RMAH, talk about getting the good end of the fkups then being paid for it, KINDLY and MASSIVELY in a short time.
people who good stuff on GAH was still good for a measly like 2-5 10-15 mil. and you make like what 12mil every hour? with gold find it could double up.

Yah this is one of the many reasons that made me bitter about d3. and why i don't play it any longer. really the RMAH ruined it for me and it's the fact that human instinct upon greed is just too great. so i decided to remove it especially the source of the cause, aka this game;d3.

only time i plan to come back is to just beat it through normal difficulty with g/f and move on. because i bought her a copy at the time when it launched. sigh..
Edited by KradisZ#1651 on 9/28/2012 12:46 AM PDT
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Honestly, it reminds me of the "StarCraft vs. Total Annihilation" debates that used to rage across Battle.net back in the day, and I predict that the outcome will be much the same: Torchlight 2 will quickly fade while Diablo 3 will carry on for many more years.
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09/28/2012 05:05 AMPosted by MountainMan
Torchlight 2 will quickly fade while Diablo 3 will carry on for many more years.


Another baseless statement i am sick of hearing from people because apparently all fanboys can predict the future.

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Sigh, guess what Mr. mountianman? While you were busy defending your game, i have played:
-all C&C games
-all Red Alert Games
-Warcraft 2 & 3
-Rise of Nations
-Age of empires 1 & 2
-all KKND
-dark reign
-battle realms
-dune 2000
-mech comander 2
-all dungeon keeper
-empire earth
-warlords battle cry 2 & 3
-all spell force
-kingdom under fire
-dragonshard
-all dawn of war
-starcraft 2
-all supreme commander

and that's just RTS. Did you try all the above? No? Guess which one of the above i liked the most?
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its battle realms.

OMG, its not a blizzard game. R u going to tell me it wont "carry on for many more years." now? Meh
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