Diablo® III

Archon efficient DPS for each MP lvl

Hi, first of all don't be surprised it's a CM/WW wiz on my profile because I have 2 set of gears lol (U may notice I have quite low AR for CM/WW wiz ^^"). Just playing CM/WW to farm ubers.

Here's the scaling table for those who's gonna try Archon and wonder the efficient DPS level for each MP. Note that this number is sufficient but not necessary, i.e., you can have a bit lower DPS to farm, but it won't be efficient to keep your archon up all the time.

With this chart you can perm-archon 90%+ of the time, however, it takes time to burn down elites and some big mobs, considered not efficient for xp/hr farming.

MP level ------- Improved Archon DPS

1 --------------- 69.01k
2 --------------- 103.57k
3 --------------- 150k
4 --------------- 210.27k
5 --------------- 294.92k
6 --------------- 411.8k
7 --------------- 578.31k
8 --------------- 807.5k
9 --------------- 1.13m
10 --------------- 1.582m

Another chart is gathered from eLIMnator, I quite agree on the efficiency threshold. In addition, if you use storm armor or +elite dmg% you can lower the threshold down a bit.

MP HP DPS1(K) DPS2(K) DMG EHP(K) MF XP
base 100 53 66 100 200 0 0
1 150 79.5 99 114 228 25 10
2 225 119.25 148.5 130 260 50 20
3 326 172.78 215.16 148 296 75 30
4 457 242.21 301.62 169 338 100 45
5 639 338.67 421.74 193 386 125 60
6 895 474.35 590.7 220 440 150 75
7 1253 664.09 826.98 250 500 175 95
8 1755 930.15 1158.3 285 570 200 115
9 2457 1302.21 1621.62 325 650 225 135
10 3439 1822.67 2269.74 371 742 250 160


DPS1 = minimum
DPS2 = faceroll


This chart only display DPS number. So, of course, u need AR/armor to handle with mobs and reflect also. Hope this helps :)
Edited by Inspy#2854 on 11/15/2012 9:05 AM PST
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Agree with those figures for improved archon, but probably more efficient to run tele archon + scramble and bump DPS requirement by 25%
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If I'm at the point where I'm almost the next MP lvl but couldn't, I will change to tele too ^^"
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Your generous. My numbers for efficient (aka perm archon uptime through kills) is considerably higher. Your basing it as though 90k dps in 1.04 was viable? I didn't consider archon very pleasant until 140k back in 1.04.
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1.582 million DPS... Lol.. one day Ill get there

Also it really depends what areas ur clearing as to whether u can stay perma archon doesnt it? I can run thru keeps Lvl 2 on MP5 in perma with only 150K dps no problem..
Edited by RIZE#1498 on 10/24/2012 2:30 AM PDT
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@Shandlar : Not really, these number are really sufficient. 1.0.4 and 1.0.5 are whole different stories imo. I'm running with 206k MP4 and only having trouble when I'm not lucky, e.g., facing shielding pack at the beginning of archon, etc. Otherwise, I'm on Archon almost 100% of the time.

@Rize : That's not efficient though :O
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But well, u might be correct that I'm generous becoz I consider only 125k to be efficient in 1.0.4 though :P
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10/24/2012 04:17 AMPosted by Inspy
But well, u might be correct that I'm generous becoz I consider only 125k to be efficient in 1.0.4 though :P


My graph is much steeper lol;

MP0 : 77k
MP1 : 116k
MP2 : 173k
MP3 : 251k
MP4 : 352k
MP5 : 492k
MP6 : 689k
MP7 : 965k

But I never really liked archon anyway, so I'm prolly a little biased.
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10/24/2012 04:17 AMPosted by Inspy
But well, u might be correct that I'm generous becoz I consider only 125k to be efficient in 1.0.4 though :P


125k is more than enough to run archon efficiently in 1.04, running archon has always been about luck (getting the right kind of mobs and mob density at the beginning of the level), LS and dmg mitigation (allows you to go forward all the time without kiting), DPS only needs to be high enough such that trash mobs die in no longer than one sec and elite packs take no more than 5 secs to kill. Much of the time is wasted on travelling anyway, so increasing DPS beyond 125k actually doesnt help a lot.
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this is what i came up with


MP HP DPS1(K) DPS2(K) DMG EHP(K) MF XP
base 100 53 66 100 200 0 0
1 150 79.5 99 114 228 25 10
2 225 119.25 148.5 130 260 50 20
3 326 172.78 215.16 148 296 75 30
4 457 242.21 301.62 169 338 100 45
5 639 338.67 421.74 193 386 125 60
6 895 474.35 590.7 220 440 150 75
7 1253 664.09 826.98 250 500 175 95
8 1755 930.15 1158.3 285 570 200 115
9 2457 1302.21 1621.62 325 650 225 135
10 3439 1822.67 2269.74 371 742 250 160


dps1 = minimum
dps2 = faceroll

The optimum dps should fall somewhere in between. You're only hurting your efficiency by forcing your MP up without meeting min requirements.
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From my personal testing, 120k DPS with Archon - Teleport in MP2 is most efficient. Seems everyone's numbers are around there, so we're all on the same page. Good info.

Forgot to add using a SOJ for extra 20% dmg vs. elites adds to efficiency.
Edited by couchy#1938 on 10/24/2012 8:58 AM PDT
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this is what i came up with


MP HP DPS1(K) DPS2(K) DMG EHP(K) MF XP
base 100 53 66 100 200 0 0
1 150 79.5 99 114 228 25 10
2 225 119.25 148.5 130 260 50 20
3 326 172.78 215.16 148 296 75 30
4 457 242.21 301.62 169 338 100 45
5 639 338.67 421.74 193 386 125 60
6 895 474.35 590.7 220 440 150 75
7 1253 664.09 826.98 250 500 175 95
8 1755 930.15 1158.3 285 570 200 115
9 2457 1302.21 1621.62 325 650 225 135
10 3439 1822.67 2269.74 371 742 250 160


dps1 = minimum
dps2 = faceroll

The optimum dps should fall somewhere in between. You're only hurting your efficiency by forcing your MP up without meeting min requirements.


Does your DPS1 includes the Archon DPS boost or is that sheet DPS before Archon?
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I actually bought a Cheapo 1200dps Skorn the other day just to play Archon.

I would say Inspy's original numbers are pretty correct.

The skorn is actually a downgrade over my Chant's set, but with 5.6% LS and almost 1000 LOH, i'm a tank. Currently @ about 210k DPS, and MP4 feels just about right. If anything I'm a little under DPS for MP4.

Tele Archon + scramble btw, so no improved power.
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His original numbers are what is needed to be able to clear the content comfortably, but that does not equate to being efficient with loot and xp. Being efficient has a higher threshold for archon, as it's necessary to smash through the mobs without adding even a few minutes to the clear time.
Edited by Shelendil#1520 on 11/9/2012 8:43 AM PST
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11/09/2012 08:41 AMPosted by Shelendil
His original numbers are what is needed to be able to clear the content comfortably, but that does not equate to being efficient with loot and xp. Being efficient has a higher threshold for archon, as it's necessary to smash through the mobs without adding even a few minutes to the clear time.


Hmm, I have to agree on this after I've done some test more. You can refer to eLINminator's table for efficient farming.


MP HP DPS1(K) DPS2(K) DMG EHP(K) MF XP
base 100 53 66 100 200 0 0
1 150 79.5 99 114 228 25 10
2 225 119.25 148.5 130 260 50 20
3 326 172.78 215.16 148 296 75 30
4 457 242.21 301.62 169 338 100 45
5 639 338.67 421.74 193 386 125 60
6 895 474.35 590.7 220 440 150 75
7 1253 664.09 826.98 250 500 175 95
8 1755 930.15 1158.3 285 570 200 115
9 2457 1302.21 1621.62 325 650 225 135
10 3439 1822.67 2269.74 371 742 250 160


However, if you use scramble rune you can lower DPS threshold a lil bit since lightning strikes really help :) Now I can farm MP 5 at 300k DPS (scramble) but I think MP 4 is faster in term of exp and loots/hr at this level.
Edited by Inspy#2854 on 11/15/2012 8:28 AM PST
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things like thunder armor and SoJ will throw the dps numbers off a bit. so take that into consideration.
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From my personal experience i agree with eLINminator's chart, i'm sitting at 270k no SoJ and i can run MP4 with effiency while MP5 is luck based and i can find myself dropping archon too many times for my tastes; even by bumping up to 310 (while loosing some eHP) i can't still do mp5 in an efficient way so the MP4/5 figures are dead on.
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10/24/2012 04:55 AMPosted by Shandlar
But well, u might be correct that I'm generous becoz I consider only 125k to be efficient in 1.0.4 though :P


My graph is much steeper lol;

MP0 : 77k
MP1 : 116k
MP2 : 173k
MP3 : 251k
MP4 : 352k
MP5 : 492k
MP6 : 689k
MP7 : 965k

But I never really liked archon anyway, so I'm prolly a little biased.


From personal experience this is more accurate.
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Can someone post their Archon build?
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11/15/2012 08:57 AMPosted by illundreal


My graph is much steeper lol;

MP0 : 77k
MP1 : 116k
MP2 : 173k
MP3 : 251k
MP4 : 352k
MP5 : 492k
MP6 : 689k
MP7 : 965k

But I never really liked archon anyway, so I'm prolly a little biased.


From personal experience this is more accurate.


I can also agree with this, in my archon spec I have 295k dps, and while I can do 4, it slows down too much compared to running 3 at lightning speed.
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