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So, Obama or Romney (part 2)

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Yay and Obamacare will be funded by unicorns and rainbows ...oh wait...
No if you can't afford obamacare you will get a large fine.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/09/20/cbo-11-million-uninsured-americans-will-be-subject-to-obamacares-individual-mandate-penalty-tax/


Were you aware of the 133% FPL threshold for being obligated to pay the tax if you don't buy healthcare?

The poorest Americans will not pay a dime for it.
11/04/2012 10:46 PMPosted by TheSaint
Conservative Christians are not pro abortion or pro gay marriage. I despise chameleon heretics who define their own existance by ego. This is why the Bible teaches the road to heaven is narrow, and most will not go there. God doesn't tolerate people who bend and break his commandments. To vote Democrat is to spit in gods face. There is no quicker road to ancient Rome then what we have now.


I haven't actually seen a Christian who doesn't break the commandments or bend/twist the words of bible to serve his own desire.

Gay marriage isn't even in the commandments and abortion is debatable. But if god says you don't kill, then you don't join the military and kill other people.
the GOP have been nothing but obstructionists since they took control of the house... Like Obama ore not. my previous statement is a fact.
I'm a Christian and tend to lean more liberal than conservative. Politics and religion have no place together. Hell, it's in our constitution. Separation of church and state.... And you're an idiot making a bad name for Christians by saying all liberals are hellbound.


Part of the constitution? Really now. Do tell.

The concept of separation of "church and state" is merely that, a concept. It can be quoted from Jefferson, Locke and probably a few others including a mention in like one court case.

Other nations around the world have laws enacting a separation, United States isn't one of them. Plus, in the American pertinent context, some of the ideas around such a separation are meant toward authority figures — not having the Pope run for President.


you do realise that more then half that list is obamacare related? you do realise obamacare is a peice of crap with al-capone type logic (you WILL pay for protection). the fact is obamacare dosnt make healthcare more affordable, accessible, dependable, healthcare still will have massive copays, be expensive as hell, and now i dont have an option of weather or not to participate.. and the rest of the list are promises that we didn't want kept...

the only people obamacare helps are the elderly with pre-existing conditions. thats it. thats what he has accomplished.

since you idea of research seems to be googling the exact line you want, i guess i can do the same

OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND! FROM THE SAME WEBSITE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

your source is so totally reliable -.-


...You're not saying anything, and you're making up statements.

You're simply wrong and uninformed, obviously you haven't read much of the actual law. You ignore the facts "we didn't want THOSE promises!" and then discount the facts you can't. "al-capone logic" What the hell?

Do you realize you aren't forced into this at all, and if you are poor, you have free healthcare? Your taxes fund it, just as much as they would be funding the ER visits from millions of uninsured.

BTW, ER visits are the most costly. Preventive care is a lot cheaper and it keeps society more productive overall.

Yes, Politifact rates promises of the GOP, too. What is your point and how are you saying it's unreliable?


you've got one page on this website saying obama's kept all his promises, then you have another saying he didnt keep half of them, and compromised on the rest. this website conflicts with itself because it's user written.

Al-capone logic (for the uneducated). Al Capone was a notorious gangster that would extort money from local business, saying they were paying for "protection." Really they were paying to not be squashed. Thats what obama care is.

also

Do you realize you aren't forced into this at all, and if you are poor, you have free healthcare? Your taxes fund it, just as much as they would be funding the ER visits from millions of uninsured.
this ENTIRE statement is flase

let me break it down for you

you aren't forced into this at all
EVERYONE is forced into this, it is a national mandate, mandate is mandatory, you MUST buy health insurance, or face a penalty (fine)

and if you are poor, you have free healthcare?
wrong again, obama care isn't medicare, its a mandate that says you now have to go find your own insurance, but they try to make it easier, but if you don't you will be fined, obama care does not make acquiring health insurance any cheeper then it already is

here's how it works

Low income individuals and families above 100% and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (those at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be 2% of income, or $50 per month for a family of four).

BTW, ER visits are the most costly. Preventive care is a lot cheaper and it keeps society more productive overall.
you got one right, grats.
Edited by Corey8806#1532 on 11/4/2012 11:21 PM PST


700$ tax per person in poor and middle class who can't afford the insurance. Yeah sounds fair to me.


The tax is a %-based on your income, and people who can barely afford it get federal deductions to the fine. Almost no one will pay $700 because healthcare will be cheaper to buy outright.

Please get your facts straight.
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you've got one page on this website saying obama's kept all his promises, then you have another saying he didnt keep half of them, and compromised on the rest. this website conflicts with itself because it's user written.


....You are showing a LOT of ignorance, kid. The first page is strictly the promises Obama has kept. It's not supposed to show anything else. If you go to the rest of the site you can find promises broken, too.

This is so sad for you.

EXAMPLE:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Do you see the nested difference?


Do you realize you aren't forced into this at all, and if you are poor, you have free healthcare? Your taxes fund it, just as much as they would be funding the ER visits from millions of uninsured.
this ENTIRE statement is flase

let me break it down for you

you aren't forced into this at all
EVERYONE is forced into this, it is a national mandate, mandate is mandatory, you MUST buy health insurance, or face a penalty (fine)

and if you are poor, you have free healthcare?
wrong again, obama care isn't medicare, its a mandate that says you now have to go find your own insurance, but they try to make it easier, but if you don't you will be fined, obama care does not make acquiring health insurance any cheeper then it already is

here's how it works

Low income individuals and families above 100% and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[21] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (those at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be 2% of income, or $50 per month for a family of four).

BTW, ER visits are the most costly. Preventive care is a lot cheaper and it keeps society more productive overall.
you got one right, grats.


You keep copy-pasting these things that verify what I'm telling you.

If you make less than 133% of FPL, you don't even qualify for the tax. 400% of FPL gets federal subsidies.

A subsidy is a DISCOUNT.

That makes acquiring healthcare cheaper than it is. Again, especially for the poor.
Edited by Vekkul#1152 on 11/4/2012 11:24 PM PST


700$ tax per person in poor and middle class who can't afford the insurance. Yeah sounds fair to me.


The tax is a %-based on your income, and people who can barely afford it get federal deductions to the fine. Almost no one will pay $700 because healthcare will be cheaper to buy outright.

Please get your facts straight.


the point is with wages down and cost of living up many people cant afford this in their budget, neither the healthcare nor the fine. obamacare dosnt make healthcare cheaper for anyone in any income group by the way, you need to get YOUR facts strait.


The tax is a %-based on your income, and people who can barely afford it get federal deductions to the fine. Almost no one will pay $700 because healthcare will be cheaper to buy outright.

Please get your facts straight.


the point is with wages down and cost of living up many people cant afford this in their budget, neither the healthcare nor the fine. obamacare dosnt make healthcare cheaper for anyone in any income group by the way, you need to get YOUR facts strait.


Please provide your facts, because the poorest Americans WILL have free healthcare.


you've got one page on this website saying obama's kept all his promises, then you have another saying he didnt keep half of them, and compromised on the rest. this website conflicts with itself because it's user written.


....You are showing a LOT of ignorance, kid. The first page is strictly the promises Obama has kept. It's not supposed to show anything else. If you go to the rest of the site you can find promises broken, too.

This is so sad for you.

EXAMPLE:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Do you see the nested difference?



this ENTIRE statement is flase

let me break it down for you

EVERYONE is forced into this, it is a national mandate, mandate is mandatory, you MUST buy health insurance, or face a penalty (fine)

wrong again, obama care isn't medicare, its a mandate that says you now have to go find your own insurance, but they try to make it easier, but if you don't you will be fined, obama care does not make acquiring health insurance any cheeper then it already is

here's how it works

Low income individuals and families above 100% and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[21] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (those at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be 2% of income, or $50 per month for a family of four).

you got one right, grats.


You keep copy-pasting these things that verify what I'm telling you.

If you make less than 133% of FPL, you don't even qualify for the tax. 400% of FPL gets federal subsidies.

A subsidy is a DISCOUNT.

That makes acquiring healthcare cheaper than it is. Again, especially for the poor.


lol your a fking moron who cant read! its a subsidary if the CHOOSE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE FROM AN EXCHANGE, they are not refering to the tax here they are talking about discounts on insurance if you buy it from an echange, in which case you won't be fined, this has nothing to do with the fine, its a discount in healthcare for people in or near poverty that USED to be free (medicare)

about your source

i see now, so what you did was take all the information that supported your arugment and ommited all the information that proves you wrong and submitted information out of context... just like obama :-) i see why you're voting for him, two peas in a pod.
Edited by Corey8806#1532 on 11/4/2012 11:29 PM PST
11/04/2012 11:22 PMPosted by Vekkul
A subsidy is a DISCOUNT.


Tell that to the taxpayers


Were you aware of the 133% FPL threshold for being obligated to pay the tax if you don't buy healthcare?

The poorest Americans will not pay a dime for it.


So if I am a single parent with 3 kids and I have a job that pays 10$ an hr. Full time I don't have to pay?


You will. He is full of crap.


lol your a fking moron who cant read! its a subsidary if the CHOOSE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE FROM AN EXCHANGE, they are not refering to the tax here they are talking about discounts on insurance if you buy it from an echange, in which case you won't be fined, this has nothing to do with the fine, its a discount in healthcare for people in or near poverty that USED to be free (medicare)


1. You have confirmed that purchasing insurance for <400% FPL gets a subsidy, or discount. This makes it cheaper for Americans to purchase their insurance.

2. Medicare is not going away.

3. If you are very poor, you do not have to buy insurance and you will not pay the tax.
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No one deservers to be president , boot to the face thats about it.


Were you aware of the 133% FPL threshold for being obligated to pay the tax if you don't buy healthcare?

The poorest Americans will not pay a dime for it.


So if I am a single parent with 3 kids and I have a job that pays 10$ an hr. Full time I don't have to pay?


no you will pay almost exactly what you're paying right now, you'll get a few new benefits and copay reductions on ;evel a and b preventative care, such as vaccinations though, you're one of the few people this dosn't really effect...


Were you aware of the 133% FPL threshold for being obligated to pay the tax if you don't buy healthcare?

The poorest Americans will not pay a dime for it.


So if I am a single parent with 3 kids and I have a job that pays 10$ an hr. Full time I don't have to pay?


$10 x 40hours x 52weeks = 20,800

http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/tools-for-advocates/guides/federal-poverty-guidelines.html

HOUSE OF 4.

133% of FPL is 30,000

You will not pay the tax.



You will. He is full of crap.


Oh really? Let's see you do some math.
random uninformed garbage


1: these people would have previously qualified for free insurance, now have to pay, how is that cheeper

2: no its getting squashed and butchered

3: (wikipedia copypaste) The text of the law expands Medicaid eligibility to include all individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level, and simplifies the CHIP enrollment process. In National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, the Supreme Court effectively allowed states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion, and some states have stated their intention to do so. In states that choose to reject the Medicaid expansion, individuals and families at or below 133% of the poverty line, but above their state's existing Medicaid threshold, will not be eligible for coverage; additionally, subsidies are not available to those below 100% of the poverty line. As many states have eligibility thresholds significantly below 133% of the poverty line, and many do not provide any coverage for childless adults, this may create a coverage gap in those states.
Edited by Corey8806#1532 on 11/4/2012 11:39 PM PST


i see now, so what you did was take all the information that supported your arugment and ommited all the information that proves you wrong and submitted information out of context... just like obama :-) i see why you're voting for him, two peas in a pod.


Because Obama has broken promises does not invalidate the promises he kept, but it does invalidate your claim that 'Obama has broken every promise'.

I didn't realize you couldn't effectively navigate a website.
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