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11/02/2012 02:41 PMPosted by Lylirra
- We have also considered just adding commas, since it's what the auction house already uses.


11/02/2012 02:41 PMPosted by Lylirra
We didn't originally add commas to begin with, because we were concerned about regional differences and didn't fully realize how not having separations would impact players. That may have been the wrong call, but we're looking to amend it.


These 2 points contradict each other. I think that's why some people are upset... Doesn't make sense.
Hey guys, this discussion is getting a little out of hand. =/ If you want to figuratively shoot the messenger (that being me), that's fine, but let's please try to keep the conversation as civil as possible.

Also, it looks some of my follow up posts may have been missed in the excitement, so I'm going to quickly reiterate a few points:

- We agree with your feedback and want to make it easier for players to tell the difference between 1000000 and 10000000.

- We have considered simply adding spaces.

- We have also considered just adding commas, since it's what the auction house already uses.

- We didn't originally add commas to begin with, because we were concerned about regional differences and didn't fully realize how not having separations would impact players. That may have been the wrong call, but we're looking to amend it.


........................................... just one?
:P
d3separatorstring = operating system's localization api (user's preferred digit grouping symbol)
d3decimalstring = operating system's localization api (user's preferred decimal symbol)

That way it doesn't matter which region's servers you're playing on, you'll still see the appropriate symbols from your native country (which you can easily customise via your OS, e.g. for Windows 7, click the Start button, enter "Region and Language" sans quotes, click Additional settings).
Edited by Amrynel#6773 on 11/2/2012 8:45 PM PDT
If you guys sat down and discussed this and thought this was a problem I can't help but chuckle. We only trade full pieces of gold, I will never give you 0.5 piece of gold. The confusion would last maybe 3 seconds on the initial encounter. Instead you put a system in place that has had scammers trying to drop zeros in trade and furthermore people constantly counting in their head the # of zeros.

Seems like leaving them out was about the laziest option, and the dumbest.
put commas, or periods in. Nobody really cares which, they are put in these numbers to help people read. If they were not useful they would not be used on an everyday basis all over the world.

Let's just hope that whatever they decide to use, comma or period, that they code it so that it not only insert the separation but moves it around dynamically so that when we type in 30,000 it doesn't enter it as 3,000,0.
11/02/2012 08:32 PMPosted by DeadRu
lol I view it as a litmus test for players. If you can't handle a few numbers you need to quit the game and go back to school. Really if you can't be bothered with counting a few zeros then take the loss.

Numerical Dyslexia, or Dyscalculia is actually a disability people have, so stop being an ***hole.
you didn't implement commas because you couldn't decide whether to use commas or periods? holy !@#$ that was a garbage answer
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Hey guys, this discussion is getting a little out of hand. =/ If you want to figuratively shoot the messenger (that being me), that's fine, but let's please try to keep the conversation as civil as possible.

Also, it looks some of my follow up posts may have been missed in the excitement, so I'm going to quickly reiterate a few points:

- We agree with your feedback and want to make it easier for players to tell the difference between 1000000 and 10000000.

- We have considered simply adding spaces.

- We have also considered just adding commas, since it's what the auction house already uses.

- We didn't originally add commas to begin with, because we were concerned about regional differences and didn't fully realize how not having separations would impact players. That may have been the wrong call, but we're looking to amend it.


How is adding commas or spaces any different than those squigglys over some letters in non english laungages? Is this game only available in English? Because if you can put in differing languages then what the hell does differing regions have to do with adding commas and if you were truely worried about different regions than why are there commas once an item is put up?

Why can Blizzard not take responsibility for anything without adding an excuse or two. Some being utterly unbelievable or just make no sense at all. This is why no one believes them. Call ToC a bug when it does exactly what it said it would do in patch notes and tool tips. Or removing before launch socketing items and having runes drop for sockets cause it would just confuse us and make the game feel like a chore is another flat out lie which will be proven come the expansion. Think I believe this issue was anything other than a simple mistake or laziness? Not a chance. Different regions indeed. Didnt put much thought to that when it come to soldiers getting banned for using RMAH while out of country eh? Oh yea no one believes that Reflect Damage is unchanged from before 1.05 either.
Edited by Stoneslammer#1524 on 11/2/2012 9:30 PM PDT
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11/02/2012 08:32 PMPosted by DeadRu
lol I view it as a litmus test for players. If you can't handle a few numbers you need to quit the game and go back to school. Really if you can't be bothered with counting a few zeros then take the loss.


I view it as a, if you cant handle Blizzard taking some well deserved critisism then maybe you shouldnt work for them kind of thing. Ever actually finish Inferno yet or too busy trolling on behalf of Bliz to acomplish such an easy task?
Edited by Stoneslammer#1524 on 11/2/2012 9:35 PM PDT
just add spaces. create the new normal for both regions
One thing to keep in mind is that Diablo III is a global game, available in multiple regions around the globe. And, across those regions, the decimal style varies.

In the US, for example, decimals are identified with periods (ex: 1.23). Whereas in a lot of places in Europe, decimals are identified with commas (ex: 1,23). This means that a number like one million would look a bit different in each of those regions. In the US, it would look like "1,000,000" and in Europe it would look like "1.000.000".

So, which decimal style do we use? That question is actually one of the main reasons we chose not to include commas initially, since it could be confusing to players in other regions outside North America. We also didn't fully realize what kind of impact not having breaks would have on the user experience (and, yes, that's our bad).

That said, we agree that not having any method of breaking out values in the auction house isn't ideal, so we're currently discussing how best to address the issue (hopefully without creating other issues for players in other countries). We could just use commas, or we might do something more universal likes spaces.


how about make it an option select the gold formatting no separation comma's periods
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One thing to keep in mind is that Diablo III is a global game, available in multiple regions around the globe. And, across those regions, the decimal style varies.

In the US, for example, decimals are identified with periods (ex: 1.23). Whereas in a lot of places in Europe, decimals are identified with commas (ex: 1,23). This means that a number like one million would look a bit different in each of those regions. In the US, it would look like "1,000,000" and in Europe it would look like "1.000.000".

So, which decimal style do we use? That question is actually one of the main reasons we chose not to include commas initially, since it could be confusing to players in other regions outside North America. We also didn't fully realize what kind of impact not having breaks would have on the user experience (and, yes, that's our bad).

That said, we agree that not having any method of breaking out values in the auction house isn't ideal, so we're currently discussing how best to address the issue (hopefully without creating other issues for players in other countries). We could just use commas, or we might do something more universal likes spaces.


how about make it an option select the gold formatting no separation comma's periods


Dude when thay have commas all over the place cept for when we list an Item in AH i think it safe to say excuse was sadly the best one they could make up because absolutely nothing else would be even the slightest bit plausable. Not that this excuse is very plausable either. Sadly everything that is wrong with this game is the fault of excessive EGO and a Perception problem on Blizzards end causing them to falsely think that we will,believe anything no matter how ridiculous it is. Mistakes happen all the time by everyone and every company. Feeling the need to make an excuse for every single mistake is rather childish and is getting past the point of protecting company image to compulsive lying just because they can get away with it.

Blizzards image already tarnished. Best they can do is admit the glaring mistakes and just keep the excuses to the boardroom and stockholder meetings cause not even the fanboys believe them anymore.
just display the number the same way you display it on the complete tab. whatever it is used in whichever language of the game, that's much much better than what we have right now.
One thing to keep in mind is that Diablo III is a global game, available in multiple regions around the globe. And, across those regions, the decimal style varies.

In the US, for example, decimals are identified with periods (ex: 1.23). Whereas in a lot of places in Europe, decimals are identified with commas (ex: 1,23). This means that a number like one million would look a bit different in each of those regions. In the US, it would look like "1,000,000" and in Europe it would look like "1.000.000".

So, which decimal style do we use? That question is actually one of the main reasons we chose not to include commas initially, since it could be confusing to players in other regions outside North America. We also didn't fully realize what kind of impact not having breaks would have on the user experience (and, yes, that's our bad).

That said, we agree that not having any method of breaking out values in the auction house isn't ideal, so we're currently discussing how best to address the issue (hopefully without creating other issues for players in other countries). We could just use commas, or we might do something more universal likes spaces.


You dont need comma or decimals....just put spaces in larger numbers where there would normally be a comma or decimal. It would be easy enough to see the space and would allow for any player..no matter their place of origin, to understand what that space means without any explaination.

EX: 6 000 000 = 6M instead of 6000000

This may have been suggested before, but not going to read through 12 pages of thread.
Edited by Raistlin#1979 on 11/2/2012 10:42 PM PDT
11/02/2012 12:23 PMPosted by Lylirra
Isnt the game split into regions??? use the correct decimal style for the region...


It's actually not that simple, but fair suggestion even still.

(We are also considering spaces, yes.)


So you can adjust languages on gear, speech, text, skills, etc. across region but you cant adjust using commas over periods?

/facepalm
11/02/2012 10:56 PMPosted by Ender




These 2 points contradict each other. I think that's why some people are upset... Doesn't make sense.


They're addressing the problem and fixing the issue, it's pointless to overanalyze the situation.


it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. Any idiot who even USED the AH would have been like "WHOA, after like 5 zero's it gets a little hard to keep track! Maybe we should add some sort of system to separate them so its easier to see!"

Another example of stellar quality control
Im not teaching math but.. I thought math was always the same no matter what regional.
Who cares and thank you for looking the hot topic
How about an expansion pack, (would justify the man hours). It would include issues at hand, & include a totally separate A/H (because of the legality). All the items & game would be the same, but add a new attribute that separates these items from the gold/rmah, when you make your char you have to choose this option & use the corresponding A/H. These items cannot be swapped or picked up unless on the same A/H etc. Just an idea, & if your reading this can you consider adding a gender option for the mercs & maby they can use a grapple hook or step ladder to get us out of the wallers/jailers? or at least reduce it a bit? (like the immune bubbles). Sorry, I'm quite new to the game, but like it... thanks for your work & making the servers better... hats off, happy holidays.
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