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[Guide] Gearing tips from Sir Piffle

Hi, thanks for the informative guide.

I have some questions that I need help with, especially with the recent upgrade to 4pc Inna's set.

1. How do most monks cope with this upgrade to 4pc Inna set? I lost alot of ehp to the extent that I need vitality gems for Inna pants.

2. What's the ideal ehp for monk? Mine is currently 390k with % damage reduction, 660k with dodge.

3. Is there an ideal HP as well? My intention is to be able to TC Firechains or Molten Elites in Mp5.

3. How much LL do a monk need? I intentionally chosen 2 LS weapons to get 5.X% LL.

By the way, the rolls I chosen for Inna set are as below.

Inna Armor - 230 combined stats with 5% ranged damage reduction (so that both melee and ranged are covered, thereby increasing EHP in all situations)
Inna belt - 190 strength roll (equivalent to 190 armour and my barb can use it to get 12k additional dps increment when necessary)
Inna pants - Poison Resistance
Inna helm - Poison Resistance + Spirit regeneration

Finally, my profile as below.
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/spyky-1981/Zen/22693101
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Great info !

I sold my barb for a monk and I used to do MP7 no problem, but I cant seem to do it with this monk.

Please help.

Thanks in advanced.

(Have about 10 mil to spend)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FDPAK-1124/hero/30881741
Edited by FDPAK#1124 on 1/26/2013 1:49 AM PST
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Sir Piffle,

Great guide man.

I made few purchases lately and doing ok with mp5 (thanks to Chez) :)
Anyway, my profile as below and appreciate if you can give some pointers on what else needed to increase my dps while maintaining or increasing my survivability.

Thank you in advance.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DUCATI-6570/hero/9053494
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"I thought this would be an interesting exercise to see how prices have dropped since I originally wrote this guide.

Price: 15,446,177
DPS: 97,985
Armor: 5210
Resist: 641
Health: 35,486
EH (StI, OwE): 408,321
MS: 24%
LS: 2.5%

Cost of items: http://i.imgur.com/O2cgh.png
Individual items: http://i.imgur.com/2dFM5.jpg
Stats: http://i.imgur.com/0Mew0.jpg

max mp with that gear?
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Sir Piffle,

Great guide man.

I made few purchases lately and doing ok with mp5 (thanks to Chez) :)
Anyway, my profile as below and appreciate if you can give some pointers on what else needed to increase my dps while maintaining or increasing my survivability.

Thank you in advance.

Out of curiosity, why did you go with Inna's Belt over Inna's pants?

"I thought this would be an interesting exercise to see how prices have dropped since I originally wrote this guide.

Price: 15,446,177
DPS: 97,985
Armor: 5210
Resist: 641
Health: 35,486
EH (StI, OwE): 408,321
MS: 24%
LS: 2.5%

Cost of items: http://i.imgur.com/O2cgh.png
Individual items: http://i.imgur.com/2dFM5.jpg
Stats: http://i.imgur.com/0Mew0.jpg

max mp with that gear?

No idea. That's almost an impossible question to answer given that everyone's play style / skill level is different.
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i will lose alot of vit if i swap my current pants for inna. Any suggestion what i can do? i am ok to get rid of the belt if necessary :)
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Great Post! Bookmarking for later reference!
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Hey man I added you to see if you wouldn't mind putting together a set for me to give away.
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Do you still have the cheap example set? It sounds alot better then the !@#$ I have, or could I possibly get some help throwing a set together? one that could atleast clear mp2 without dying on every elite pack would be nice
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"I thought this would be an interesting exercise to see how prices have dropped since I originally wrote this guide.

Price: 15,446,177
DPS: 97,985
Armor: 5210
Resist: 641
Health: 35,486
EH (StI, OwE): 408,321
MS: 24%
LS: 2.5%

Cost of items: http://i.imgur.com/O2cgh.png
Individual items: http://i.imgur.com/2dFM5.jpg
Stats: http://i.imgur.com/0Mew0.jpg

max mp with that gear?

No idea. That's almost an impossible question to answer given that everyone's play style / skill level is different.

well i've started playing diablo recently but I am pro gamer and skilled player...the problem is i am not the richest :D trading in AH for 1 week from 1m to 20m and have gear for 20m...your build is seem to be pretty good so i am asking :D
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02/07/2013 04:12 PMPosted by DUCATI
i will lose alot of vit if i swap my current pants for inna. Any suggestion what i can do? i am ok to get rid of the belt if necessary :)

Well the reason I asked is because one of the main draws of Inna's Belt (aside from completing the 4 piece set) is the 7-8% Holy Damage affix. This affix only affects the black damage (read: non-elemental) of weapons. Since you're using Shenlong's, you're not getting nearly as much from this belt because your weapons both have lightning damage on them.

I think you'd be better off getting Inna's pants and switching back to a rare belt. The iAS on the pants will provide more LoH for you as well. This would also give you the option of moving to a different pair of bracers, if you want to.

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@people asking if I still have those sets, I do not. They were a long time ago :D

@MrNastyTime, I am going on vacation this weekend, so I will not be able to help you until next week!
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No problem man enjoy your vacation! I've just gotten to a point where I can't afford another upgrade anytime soon so I figured I can do something to give back to the community!
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Sir Piffle, I changed to inna pants :)
Btw, is it good to change Immortal King's Iron and Eternal reign?

Thanks man and happy holiday!!!

Ed
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Sir Piffle, I changed to inna pants :)
Btw, is it good to change Immortal King's Iron and Eternal reign?

Thanks man and happy holiday!!!

Ed

Gah, typed out a whole long response to this and the forums ate it. Anyway, let's try this again!

To be honest, I am not terribly familiar with the IK set as I've never really looked into them much. But in general, I'm not a huge fan of using the set pieces of non-dex classes. You're guaranteed a non-ideal roll AND you're paying the premium for the name value. But I took a look at the AH to see how they shaped up.

IK Chest:
You get just 1 random roll here so you're either looking at a high vit roll or dex and vit. Ideally, you want the high vit roll as you're getting more total stats from it (dex + vit can only go up to 200 while vit itself can go over 200). Unfortunately, 200+ vit pieces start at 75 mill. Looking at the dex/vit combo, it seems you can get around ~170 total stats for around 10-15 mill.

Rare chest:
Searching for 200+ vit, 70+ dex, 3 sockets, and 70+ AR, we see results as cheap as 3 million. Heck, the cheapest one even has a second resist! The armor is a lot lower here though.

IK Gloves:
You get 2 random rolls here, so you are most likely going to want iAS as your first and then either dex or dex/vit. Dex can roll up to 200 on gloves, but looking for 150+ dex there are only 3 results; the first is 39.5 mill and has 6% AS while the next is 160 mill and has 9% AS. Looking at the 50+ dex/ 50+ vit combo, the cheapest is 12 mill and has 6% AS as well. You are getting a melee reduction roll on these though, and the 2 piece bonus gives us 60 AR as well.

Rare Gloves:
Searching for 140+ dex, 50+ vit, 6+ as, 9+ CC the first pair we find with a resist is just 1 million buyout.

I jotted down the stats for the two cheapest rares I found as well as two of the IK pieces that were a good combo of stats/value. Here are their overall stats:

IK:
Armor: 1409.5
Dex: 271
Vit: 151
AR: 132
AS: 6
CC: 9
Melee Reduction: 5%
Price: 24 mill

Rare:
Armor: 848
Dex: 396
Vit: 293
AR: 187
AS: 6
CC: 9
Cost: 4 mill

*Note: I included half the dex value in the armor assuming you are using StI.
*Note2: I assumed the use of 3 star emeralds in the chest sockets, but both have 3 sockets so this is effectively a wash

So you are getting an extra 550 armor and 5% reduction from the IK set, but you're losing out on 125 dex, 142 vit, and 55 AR, plus you're spending 20 million more (or 6x as much). That's not worth it to me. I also dislike ending up with too many 2x set pieces because you end up removing some of your flexibility in upgrades. What happens if you go the IK route and then end up crafting an awesome pair of gloves? Now you have to replace your chest piece too! Imo, very few set pieces are worth using on their own, especially non-dex ones.

Now, it is possible that if you spent long enough looking in the AH or maybe if you were willing to buy some of the more expensive ones you could find a combo that is better than rares. But at a quick look, it doesn't appear worth it.
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Piffle-- have a couple questions and not really sure whether to put here or new post so here goes for now..

I am looking to play more comfortably in a group at higher mps. I am also in the process of trying to create some bracers as my mains have seemed to gone somewhere (dex/vit/cr/ar/cc). I have a couple different pieces that I switch between my monk/dh and have picked up stuff here and there if I see a deal. If you see this tonight you won't see my innas pants on my monk dex/12x vit.

I have a set of bt pants w 709 armor no resists. My AR w OWE is 549 and armor is 5236. With that I have an innas belt w 250 vit. Here is the link to d3up. http://d3up.com/b/376769 My ehp is 598k, 1.1m w dodge. This is almost the 10:1 that I have heard about.

I also have an owe pair. It puts my AR to 642 with my other innas belt w AR. My armor w that set up is 4958. It drops my ehp to 510k, 947k w dodge. Here is the link to that http://d3up.com/b/378596

I tried logging out w a different combo but the site is not updating to get the actual ehp numbers and not sure what is currently equipped. Basically is it 6 in one hand half dozen in the other? Should I stick with the higher ehp total or go for the one w more resists? I am also assuming that the bt is more ehp than the innas. If I go innas I almost always feel more squishy w plague/arcane but maybe I am doing something wrong. I do try to facetank more than I probably should, I played barb for quite awhile and I think it did instill some bad habits. Usually when I go full innas I use a shield and my dps drops considerably, more than switching to this gear as I am not really geared for that.

Anyway, I'd appreciate the look over if you get a chance! Thanks from a fellow Bmoron!
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@ Piffle

You mentioned that you track items with an excel document.

Is there any chance you could find a way to upload that and provide the link to it? I would like to see how you have the excel document set-up.

I currently track most of my items via Wordpad files saved in .rtf format. I have a file for each of my characters and then another to cover floating gear and then one more to track my various hellfire rings.

However, it is kind of tedious so a fresh perspective on tracking might help me out some ( and maybe other people )
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I can't delete since too much time has past.
However I can edit out my post.
Edited by KamelJabber#1103 on 3/1/2013 8:12 AM PST
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Hm, so, I don't have access to d3up.com during the day but I will try to answer your question as best I can anyway.

If I understand correctly, you are trying to decide between two sets of gear - one of which you are currently wearing in your profile (45.7k health, 4958 armor, 642 resist) and another which drops your resist to 549, raises your armor to 5236, and raises your health to ??.

The high resist setup is offering more damage reduction overall, but the low resist setup has more health and that is where you are getting a large part of your EH (I think D3up usually breaks out how much each stat is worth for EH and how much each item you're wearing is worth).

I think this is going to just come down to how comfortable you feel with each set. Sorry that's not a great answer, but if you feel like you do better with one set of gear than the other, go with that one!
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@ Piffle

You mentioned that you track items with an excel document.

Is there any chance you could find a way to upload that and provide the link to it? I would like to see how you have the excel document set-up.

I currently track most of my items via Wordpad files saved in .rtf format. I have a file for each of my characters and then another to cover floating gear and then one more to track my various hellfire rings.

However, it is kind of tedious so a fresh perspective on tracking might help me out some ( and maybe other people )

I can do you one better!

Vrk has released his uber-spreadsheet already: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7811022081

It is a far more comprehensive spreadsheet than mine and sounds like it will better accommodate what you are looking for, especially with regard to storing different items and comparing them.

You should find instructions for how to use it throughout that thread, and also in one of the other threads he linked.

Alternatively, if you have access to D3up.com, that site will also serve much of the same purpose!
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