Diablo® III

Honest Questions For DH'ers (Paying money)

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Hey guys, I played a DH a while back near release and I had fun with it, since I returned to d3 I have been playing Barb/Wiz and i enjoy them both but I loved amazon in d2 and like the idea of the DH.

I need some HONEST people to answer these questions because I have saved around 150 million budget for another toon, either going to be WD or DH.

Is the demon-hunter as bad as everyone say's ? I see para leveled 70/80/ etc dh'ers quitting to roll barbs and wiz and wd's and monks.


150 mil is a good amount to start.

For your budget, I heavily recommend going for
2 - 3p new Nats (Boots, Ring definitely. Helm or chest if going for 3p)
1 - 2p Inna's (Pants definitely. Chest if going for 2p)
Manticore
Dead Man's Legacy quiver
Witching Hour
Andy's helm IF not going for Nats helm
Rare ammy
Hellfire ring / rare ring
Rare gloves
Lacuni / Strongarms / Rare bracers

You can build up a perfectly viable paragon-farming and uber-killing DH with that.

DHs tend to complain alot, but that's really more due to how easy barbarians have it in life. To be honest, with the right gear we can do damn near everything. Be it mp0 farming to mp10. We can tank(with the right gear). We can solo mp10 ubers(again, with the right gear). We can key-farm. We can achievement hunt. We can speed through the maps by using vault with tactical advantage.

Just as there are high paragon-level DHs quitting to reroll other classes, the reverse is true as well.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
Is Manticore really the ONLY sensible build ?


Of course there are more builds than just manticore ones. It's just that manticore builds are the most straight-forward, cheapest and looks the best on Diablo3progress.

Manticores are also treasured because it has the best damage range of the main weapons, meaning you won't see low numbers.

It is important to note however manticore does not do black damage/pure physical damage, which means its bonuses from SoJ, Inna's belt, Zunimmasa's boots etc is not as good as Windforce or Calamity.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
How is the calamity and 1h'er build ?


Awesome.

1-h crossbows give the 10% crit chance archery buff, which is arguably the best of the archery bonuses. Also important is the fact Calamity gives a passive chance to put mark of death, and it is 1 of the fastest weapons of all. A DH spamming Bola Shot - Thunderball can keep an uber stun-locked forever.

Wielding 2x 1h crossbows is probably the coolest of all the builds. But DHs tend to use Calamity with Dead Man's Legacy for the best bonuses.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
How is the windforce build ? Viable ?


Very viable too.

The issue is that windforce will not reach the dps of manticore easily. But its archery bonus of 15% damage is also superior to that of the manticore. DHs usually use the windforce for its numerous additional buffs such as lifeleech, hatred regen and most importantly, knockback. Needless to say, Windforce also looks REALLY cool.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
Can dh'ers clear mp 6-7 decently for key runs as well ? I am very curious for some experienced DH'ers to give me some honest and good opinions.


Yes. When we want to speed clear, we use vault with tactical advantage to look for elites quickly.

Ball lightning is also sick-good for dealing with act 2 Keywarden.

Clearing high mp is more about your gear and skill level, than the innate abilities of the DH.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
I see alot of different dh'ers some using ELE arrow with Hungering and ball of light //// some using Evasive , some using Strafe and others that say Multi-Shot is the best option.


Our top 3 hatred generators are

- Hungering Arrow
- Bola Shot
- Evasive Fire (covering fire only)

Grenades and entangling shot are viable too, but harder to use properly unless you really know your stuff.

As for hatred dump, the following are really good too for clearing low mp

- Strafe
- Multishot
- Ball Lightning

The other hatred dumps shine in their own rights

- Cluster bomb (for dealing with heavily grouped-up enemies, or large ones like Azmodan)
- Spike Trap (echoing mainly)
- Impale (especially if you have -hatred gear)

There is no best farming skill, it's about your playstyle.

12/01/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Lithic
What are the viable builds that can really be used efficiently.


Note that this goes down to whether you are using Legacy Nats or not. I am a new Nat user, so here are several. NOTE there are easily dozens of viable builds, I am giving you my best 3 so as not to confuse you.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#ajhVdg!ZbY!caZcbY - For mp0-1 farming

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#WPRVkg!fXY!ZYYcaY - For Uber farming

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#WihVkg!fXe!aabccY - For mp5-7 farming/key farming

Hope these helps. I can give further clarification ingame if you got any additional questions.


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LOL at this thread. He only has 150m, and you all are talking about how great DHs can be.
Let me know if you can even gear a DH to farm mp0 efficiently with 150m...


can't tell if troll or serious
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So.. I saw this vid, wherein you need 1m to gear a Crit Mass Wiz able to Farm up Mp1 to 3 and can farm MP10 BUT IT TAKES EPICLY LONG, can't blame the dude, 1m for MP10 is pushing it ;)

Then a WD 3m build for MP 1 to 3.

And a DH 3m Build for MP 1 to 3.. So.. yeah.

If you want to farm for keys on MP6 to 10 but doesn't care how long it takes? Do the TankDH. 30-50k DPS and ALL DEFENSIVE STATS.

Look at our thread. You'd definitely get there without spending much if you know what you are looking for.

KOHero farms MP10. Dealing with 3 elites at the same time killing all in 4mins. with 50k+ DPS.
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look at my gear.. dont remember exactly how much it cost but im betting it's below 150m total...

i can farm mp0 in 10-15mins doing core>kd3>totd2>arreat2>kd2>fields
i can also farm upto mp5 efficiently using bola shot+spiketrap combo...

with nightstalker and 2.4aspd, you can keep gloom up indefinitely...
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I love all the posts guys , I think this is the most help I have received from any class in diablo.

I am still very confused though regarding the whole Windforce/Calamity-Deadman/Calamity-Danetta/Manticore stuff

I see some of you using the 2 1h'ers using the same skills as a manticore wielder, im not understanding whether you do it for the FUN of it but knowing that your gimping yourself or if it really is the better route? I am trying to figure all this out before dropping all my gold.

The othing thing I am worried about is a few of you danced around the Legacy nat idea, some litterly said dont bother with 150m because DH isnt worth it without the legacy nats, some have said its overated, some people's post are scaring me away while others are drawing me in.

I would like to do the following.
-Farm mp1 efficiently for para/leg farming
- Run ubers in a group and be a contributing member
- Farm my own keys , once in a while, I dont play high mp often.

The other thing to note is I really don't like the idea of Assassin gameplay, for those who played diablo2, I want more of the amazon feel, I dont like the traps/sentries etc I like using my BOW.

I have a clear winner obviously everyone know's that he won, so contact me asap and ill gladly pay you, but I can also pay another person to further help me with these issues.
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Legacy nats mulitplies your disc regeneration by a factor of 6, this alows extremely fast farming. Sure nightstalker helps keep the discipline regen, but not to the extent of legacy nats - especially when vaulting around the map then glooming at every elite mob. I can't recommend it enough.
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Anyone else got an opinon for my 2nd set of questions.
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I love all the posts guys , I think this is the most help I have received from any class in diablo.

I am still very confused though regarding the whole Windforce/Calamity-Deadman/Calamity-Danetta/Manticore stuff

I see some of you using the 2 1h'ers using the same skills as a manticore wielder, im not understanding whether you do it for the FUN of it but knowing that your gimping yourself or if it really is the better route? I am trying to figure all this out before dropping all my gold.

The othing thing I am worried about is a few of you danced around the Legacy nat idea, some litterly said dont bother with 150m because DH isnt worth it without the legacy nats, some have said its overated, some people's post are scaring me away while others are drawing me in.

I would like to do the following.
-Farm mp1 efficiently for para/leg farming
- Run ubers in a group and be a contributing member
- Farm my own keys , once in a while, I dont play high mp often.

The other thing to note is I really don't like the idea of Assassin gameplay, for those who played diablo2, I want more of the amazon feel, I dont like the traps/sentries etc I like using my BOW.

I have a clear winner obviously everyone know's that he won, so contact me asap and ill gladly pay you, but I can also pay another person to further help me with these issues.


This part is my opinion, but I will say it anyway. Using 2x 1h-xbows is fun, BUT it is indeed gimping yourself to do so.

As for your other concerns, it is as I mentioned in my original post. Those are the gear you can get with 150 mil to do what you want, be it farm mp0-1, uber or farm keys.

Legacy Nats is nice, but it is in no way mandatory. It's simply about your playstyle.

I assume I won, added u ingame.
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Look don't bother about speed farming (jumping to elite mobs and skippig the rest)

I say kill'em all! thats what we are build for and do so more effeciently than a barb or monk.

We only speed farm when farming for keys. when grinding or farming for equipment.. Kill everything .. the more you kill the higher probability you get a good drop.. well thats my personal opinion. and thats what my build is for.

for gear farming or xp grinding most people will do MP 1-3 as it allows them to kill faster without the need for super gear

Honestly for 150mil.. you can do a lot.. just shop wisely and not throw the money into everything you think will help. take your time to shop and camp the AH.

No point going for Nats Legacy, its an elitist equipment IMHO, go for the cheaper new Nats set 2 pc would be good, get a cheap ring for around 11mil- 20 mil and the chest piece ( for the 7 % crit)

The Manticore isn't the only weapon u can use. but its the cheapest most viable weapon for a DH out there. So I say.. just start out with a manticore first, and slow upgrade and modify your gears as you make more gold or find some uber drop.

The fun part about starting from scratch is that almost every drop may be an Upgrade.. man i miss those days Heheh

Cheers!
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Add me and I will set you straight brotha.

Fo free.
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Thanks guys, any other advice on weapon choice would be helpful

I like the idea of Calamity / Deadmans , but is it just as good as a manticore build ? and should i focus on %ele gear with calamity? like zuni boots etc ? Or how is it done? and is Cala with danetas better?
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Manticore is the most sensible option if you want the most dps for your money. 1h and Windforce builds can be viable, but it would be a lot more expensive to reach the same efficiency as a mid tier manticore. I can do up to mp9 key runs without breaking my balls, but I usually stick to mp5 for my key runs for quantity.

As for a build you want to aim for 40% crit chance, 300-400 resist, and 30-40k hp. As for dex, get that wherever you can and as for crit damage, focus on getting 35-40% crit chance first then crit damage. Attack speed comes as a last priority for me. This is assuming if you want to go for a balanced cannon DH, there are tank builds out there, but Im not really sure how those work these days.
Edited by Enveos#1991 on 12/3/2012 10:18 PM PST
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I agree with Nightmare.

Killing trash mobs are good for plvling and if by luck, they might just drop a piece of legendary which only happened to me once (though, it was a crappy legendary).

You can look at my build for fast MP2 runs which yields about 7m exp per 10 minutes. As for route, Arreat Crater from start to finish, then swap to Stonefort (I do plvling and key hunting at the same time).
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Thanks guys, any other advice on weapon choice would be helpful

I like the idea of Calamity / Deadmans , but is it just as good as a manticore build ? and should i focus on %ele gear with calamity? like zuni boots etc ? Or how is it done? and is Cala with danetas better?


Calamity + DML is still better than any combination, considering DML's pricing has been dropping, you can grab a pretty good DML with great DEX/VIT combination with 20% IAS and 10% CC somewhere around 10m or below.
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I've got a thread where I've written a guide on DH gearing and provided a sample build on a 75m budget. I've basically taken everything I've learned about DHs and tried to find the most cost effective method to gear a powerful DH. My build is at about 140k DPS unbuffed (175k buffed) and 450k eHP. With double the budget, results can only get better.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004452407
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^
Like he said.. listen to the man. he knows what he's saying LOL
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BTW Gen I don't see a 140k unbuff DH i see a 240k Unbuffed (partially) DH in your profile lol
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Lithic could u add me pls?

I added u already ingame but got no response.

My Btag is Fieryeel#6328
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12/03/2012 11:06 PMPosted by Nightmare
BTW Gen I don't see a 140k unbuff DH i see a 240k Unbuffed (partially) DH in your profile lol


My sample build is at 140k but my actual build is double that DPS (the bow I'm using isn't my actual bow), but that's outside of the budget in a big way haha.
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Answers in line

(( As an incentive I will pay 2 million for the best/honest advice ))
(( After i get some answers i'll let ya know the best one and you can collect ))

Hey guys, I played a DH a while back near release and I had fun with it, since I returned to d3 I have been playing Barb/Wiz and i enjoy them both but I loved amazon in d2 and like the idea of the DH.

I need some HONEST people to answer these questions because I have saved around 150 million budget for another toon, either going to be WD or DH.

Is the demon-hunter as bad as everyone say's ? I see para leveled 70/80/ etc dh'ers quitting to roll barbs and wiz and wd's and monks.

Is Manticore really the ONLY sensible build ?
- No, it is not, you will typically find better physical damage yellow xbows for a fraction of the price of a manticore (see mine for instance)

How is the calamity and 1h'er build ?
Calamity is a very viable build, but it requires top end gear to be efficient when farming. If you can still 1-2 shot everything in mp1-2 with a calamity you are doing it right. Calamity is actually becoming more desirable than the manticores (and the price reflects that

How is the windforce build ? Viable ?
Windforce over xbow is a personal preference you get the lifesteal and the regen which means it can outdps xbows in effective dps depending on the build and the xbow. you wont get as much epeen on the damage sheet however.

Can dh'ers clear mp 6-7 decently for key runs as well ? I am very curious for some experienced DH'ers to give me some honest and good opinions.
I farm keys on 7-8, I can clear MP 10 but it is a pain and takes way too long to make it worth it.

I see alot of different dh'ers some using ELE arrow with Hungering and ball of light //// some using Evasive , some using Strafe and others that say Multi-Shot is the best option.

This is gear dependent, for speed of clear a calamity/quiver with hungering arrow/spray with multishot probably gives you the most speed if you are over 55% crit.

What are the viable builds that can really be used efficiently.
once again this is gear dependent, the level of your gear will determine what your build should be. both bola and hungering are very good. Multi-shot and cluster are the best spenders imo.


That said, for the same price in gear you will not be able to farm better than your barb. Only play the DH if you are like me and prefer the playstyle.
Edited by Lifeblood#1750 on 12/4/2012 8:44 AM PST
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