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stats needed to do mp10 ubers for SNS

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reserving post for later admissions, moved reply to numerians post into post 354 since tekk also covers the same basic subject matter

also the post limit is 500 so can we refrain from replying too many times in this thread please
Edited by SteelPhantom#1820 on 2/20/2013 2:45 PM PST
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@Numerian: It's just a DPS requirement. The idea being that SN and SNS greatly outstrip regular CM/WW wizards in damage, largely owing to Storm Armor. Keep in mind, my understanding is that Steel isn't requiring unbuffed EHP. You can buff it, but if you're using Energy Armor to buff your EHP, then you have to compensate with higher DPS. :) The idea being that MP10 competent wizards have the EHP and DPS to perform a reliable carry. :) How you get there doesn't matter.
Edited by TekkZero#1963 on 2/20/2013 2:43 PM PST
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its why im an a--hole about ehp i run at a minimum 400k ehp against elites so i usually only die against ubers due to laziness, not payin attn etc

and i dont usually let ppl who got fat off of vit and life% int

just running shocking aspect as opposed to energy armor is a fairly large dps boost
its a big enough boost that a 100k sns wizard almost always outdoes a 200k full cm wizard (ea and cs)


I still hold my position that except for those real elite wiz (1%), the dps gain with shards is not worth the sacrifice of EHP with crystal shell.

Also, simply based on all res and armor is somewhat biased towards SNS requirement.
Elite/melee/ranged dmg reduction works way better at higher all res and armor.

Approximately 6% elite dmg reduction equals (and in my opinion) outshines 80 AR or 500 armor
and so does melee dmg reduction.

I would rather use crystal shell and stand still in Magdha's sentry beams (2 at the same time or 1 next to the center) than going with shards and have to move around. Just personal perference.
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Excuse me - this 350k+ EHP requirement is not unbuffed EHP? Can it be buffed by dodge or energy armor or something else?
Edited by Numerian#2850 on 2/20/2013 2:56 PM PST
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02/20/2013 02:54 PMPosted by Numerian
Excuse me - this 350k+ EHP requirement is not unbuffed EHP? Can it be buffed by dodge or energy armor or something else?
Steel said it couldn't be dodge. That's why he recommends using sites like d3up.com, where you can see your EHP breakdown. Sites like diablo-progress that include dex in the calculation don't give you a sense for how much splash damage you can take. And that's what is important on the ubers. The reason there's such high EHP requirements is to survive the combination of Madgha's Arcane Sentries+bugs and Leoric's walk. :)
Edited by TekkZero#1963 on 2/20/2013 3:00 PM PST
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Well, here you are my EHP stats with storm armor according to d3up website:

- dodge 494k
- melee 413k
- elite 422k
- physical 404k
- arcane/holy 407k
- unbuffed & others 393k

And here you are the same stats with energy armor:

- dodge 697k
- melee 583k
- elite 596k
- physical 571k
- arcane/Holy 576k
- unbuffed & others 554k

My buffed DPS with FN/DF, TP/WH and CB is 250k.

So now I can play as SNS or CM/WW wizard still meeting Union's membership requirements?
Edited by Numerian#2850 on 2/20/2013 3:15 PM PST
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@steel

im currently regearing because i got some new gloves (added 15k dmg and put me over 200 with mw) - and have my eye on a ring upgrade -- i lost some armor and vit so im selling my lacunis & source left ring to fund the operatoin and put me back up to where i was (without sacrificing my gains to dmg)
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OK, at present I have two options to finish my gearing:

- offensive: ~175k DPS, ~365k EHP
- defensive: ~150k DPS, ~450k EHP

Of course those stats will improve altogether with my Paragon leveling. Now I am 21 Paragon.

So I'd like to ask what stat will be better for SNS/RNS wizard being member of The Weatherman Union?
Edited by Numerian#2850 on 2/22/2013 7:13 AM PST
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Phorn#1408
PST -8:00 USWest
(Unyielding valor EHP vs Elites: 364k // DPS buffed 188k // Actual 1,054k)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#VQXTYh!gWb!YZaccc

(CM/WW simulator -http://d3cmww.com/cmww?configid=54891)

APS = 3.0306 [40 WW ticks per cast] ; Crit Chance = 63.00% ; APoC = 16

Character sheet DPS = 131047.16 ; Weapon DPS = 1042.22
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Average DPS = 1053536.30
(DPS / Character Sheet) Ratio = 8.04
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APS = 2.7547 [36 WW ticks per cast] ; Crit Chance = 55.00% ; APoC = 19
Character sheet DPS = 156621.90 ; Weapon DPS = 1132.85
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Average DPS = 1334193.60
(DPS / Character Sheet) Ratio = 8.52
Edited by Numerian#2850 on 2/22/2013 10:18 AM PST
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Btw steel I'm back to 2.73. Free bump
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Reading this thread is like trying to read another language without any understanding of it. For those of us who don't simplify every ability, stat, or word into two letters, please elaborate on these acronyms.
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If you don't understand the acronyms I recommend you read this thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7199399889 .
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crafted some nice bracers.. damn i love the new crafting. bought a new vile ward for 12mil LOL
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taco#1638 - CST
1200 LoH
5100 Armor
860+ Resistance
140k DPS (Diamond Shards, Shocking Aspect)
40k Life
54CC
2.88 IAS (Currently tying some gloves without attack speed)
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shad0wzz#2781 EU - GMT
867LoH
4761 Armor
799 Resist
214k DPS
44k Life
51.5% CC
2.75 IAS

http://www.unyieldingvalor.com/D3/calcTool.php?region=EU&name=shad0wzz&tag=2781&hero_name=9800312&hero_load=true
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shad0wzz#2781 EU - GMT
867LoH
4761 Armor
799 Resist
214k DPS
44k Life
51.5% CC
2.75 IAS

http://www.unyieldingvalor.com/D3/calcTool.php?region=EU&name=shad0wzz&tag=2781&hero_name=9800312&hero_load=true


Your EHP is a low, try getting more All Res and Armor. Considering these are your stats with Prismatic on... The idea behind it, is to have an unbuffed build.
Edited by SKiring#2307 on 3/3/2013 3:19 PM PST
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Visaria#1906 on Americas (lives in ECT = PST+9)

1072 LoH
4.2k armor
712 all resistances
187k unbuffed DPS @ 2.74aps, 153k unbuffed DPS @ 3.01aps
56k life
54% crit chance
2.81aps/3.01aps (i have IAS chant in stash)
17 APoC
~535k unbuffed eHP

full SNS wizard. i run cold snap for both 2.74 and 3.01 configs (allows me to switch to IAS chant if i feel i need to)
Edited by VISARIA#1906 on 3/4/2013 8:46 AM PST
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had to dig this up but i will be reviewing all sns wizards currently in the union at some pt over the next few days anyone running 10apoc will be be booted out
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