Diablo® III

AH Flipping Has Got to Stop Indeed

This thread is stupid, pointless and have nothing to prove. Someone sells a item, a buyer does not want to pay that price. That is your fault for not setting a lower price. End of story.
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Flippers dont set the price. The buyer actually does. You mad someone found a deal before you. Get over it.

Its not a forever flip escalate that increases prices infinitely... You just need to find a boogie man for why you arent having as much fun as you want.

If the cheapest 24 pack of beer was always 10 bucks and some dude personally sold you a leftover 24 pack for 1 dollar does it raise the price for everyone else?

If some dude sold a 20k car for 2k are all other same cars still 20k?

If I was a kid and had some bubble gum that retailed at 10 cents and I sold it for 5 cents OR 50 cents would the retail still not be 10 cents?

If some noob puts a 50 million gold item on the AH for 2 mil are all other items of the same quality not still 50 million gold?
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What should matter to Blizzard is that the majority of customers are unsatisfied with current trading practices. Something that continues to be perceived as unfair is likely to turn people away. Quite a good motive for actions, isn't it?

This is what can be done to eliminate the unwanted trading behavior:

- items purchased on either of the AHs should not be allowed to sell for more than what they were acquired for. Obviously that would not apply to newly found items (not dropped on the ground by other players) when trying to sell them for the very first time. That's right - only reselling is penalized. Buy items to use them or don't buy at all.

Example: a monster drops item X. One decides to sell it in the GAH for 50M. Someone buys it for 50M. The person who bought it now cannot sell it for more than 50M (whether in the GAH or using the trade window while in the game). Same principle applies to the RMAH.

In order for the above to work these measures also need to be taken:
- gold cannot be purchased for real money (pay2win? -> go buy stuff on the RMAH)
- gold becomes account-bound and cannot be given to other players as gift (you want to help somebody -> buy/give them items instead of giving gold)

* bonus option: do you want item sink in the game? Simply add this:
- after, let's say, 50 times the item is resold - it becomes account-bound (can only be used/salvaged/vendored). Colour-code or somehow mark the item in the AH/trade window, so people can see that it's the last time that item can be sold.

P.S. I honestly wouldn't care if the proposed changes made some flippers quit. In a way, they have already done so and are now just poisoning other people's experience.


^ Communist. :)
Or a person who doesn't understand the simple basics of economics. *I'm going to go with the latter, but just incase! Look below!*

Please - do us all a favor and move to one of these communist countries. Thanks. I'll even link you to a website that lists all of them.
http://geography.about.com/od/lists/tp/communistcountries.htm
Edited by Origin#1494 on 11/29/2012 9:04 PM PST
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If you dont like AH, dont use it, but if you want to use it, get over the flipping, it´s part of the economy.

Also, you only flip items that are selling for less than 50% of it value, so you cannot complain about AH flipping if you dont have enough gold to pay for the real value of the item.
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This is why the game forum is so much better than the game itself. I love to flip items and watch these noob cry. U mad bro?
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Does anyone else just bid on stuff to screw people and raise the bid?
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Flippers are also loosing money, they have the right to risk!
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WOW lol...I thought you were gonna go into bots that flip then I would agree the bots need to be removed but flipping in itself...whats the problem?...Its another way to make gold.U say they should play the game to profit but incase u havent noticed the AH is part of this game as much as killing mobs is.

Flipping is not an exploit or infact even a shortcut...It takes lots of time to look through items and learn prices and to win auctions or buyouts...If players want to play the game from that angle why not?

Have you ever tried flipping before? Im assuming u have but failed otherwise you wouldnt be complaining about it.Ive tried it and I suck horribly at it...I have to resell cheaper than I bought it for.Its not all that easy and can be very time consuming if your not a bot.

I also dot get how it effects you.Players only flip items that are being sold dirt cheap...these items were gonna be sold whether it was to be flipped or not
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im happy that those kind of threads exist, because blizzard knows what the core of those problems is.

playing the ah is more efficient than playing the game itself !

sure its ur right to play the ah, but imagine everyone would do the same - "no" items, no profit... so pls be happy that there are still some people who put much time into grinding.
and no - they (flippers) dont regulate anything, because underprized items are gone in a blink of an eye and u dont see the buyout prices of "open" auctions.

another thing: the atmosphere in here is like rush hour in a kindergarten. what about treading other people like u want to be treated urself? maybe that kind of behavior is considered as usual in our praised dog-eat-dog society...
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Last time I clicked on one of these threads it reminded me to check the AH for 2-5m left auctions saw a trifecta str ring with armor (players always undervalue that) won the bid @ 17m and flipped dat ish for 28m (tried 32m and 30m didn't work) and sold it.

Let's see what luck I get this time! <3
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 11/30/2012 3:07 AM PST
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Please state your age, education, occupation and IQ.
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even though i am not rich with gold, nor have the best gear. IN both real world, and this games economy needs Flippers, they are what keeps item values at their real cost, and they give me gold all the time. I am fine with the fact people flip on the auction house. they are really the ones that keep an auction house stable. we need them to buy our cheaper gear, and if your lucky, like me, my off hand is worth like 7-14 million and i got it for 800 thousand, to me it is a really great find on the auction house. Flipping is not as bad as you guys make it out to be, also it does not work 100% of the time, it is almost a gamble.

Blizzard needs to not regulate what goes on in the auction house. Flippers are apart of any economy. in the real world, we call them hustlers, people will always do that.

and to the people that say auction house is more efficient, wasn't trading in D2 also more efficient? in my memory it was the easiest way to get the best gear the quickest. The auction house is trading, but with gold and not with Items. because in this game gold is worth something.

item flipping is a crucial part of both type of systems. One guy gets an item cheap off the other, because the seller wants a represented fast sale, so he sells it for cheaper. and the flipper buys it, and gambles with a chance the auction house will eventually have some one buy it at the increased cost. but usually takes a greater amount of time.
Edited by Gunghoe#1987 on 11/30/2012 3:16 AM PST
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I remember there used to be timers on the items during launch. Just re implement that feature and put a x amount of hours limit on it can be re sold.
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11/30/2012 03:13 AMPosted by kilo
I remember there used to be timers on the items during launch. Just re implement that feature and put a x amount of hours limit on it can be re sold.
I do not remember such a thing ever existed.

^ Communist. :)
Or a person who doesn't understand the simple basics of economics. *I'm going to go with the latter, but just incase! Look below!*

Please - do us all a favor and move to one of these communist countries. Thanks. I'll even link you to a website that lists all of them.
http://geography.about.com/od/lists/tp/communistcountries.htm
LOL its funny to see such things on the forums, with time, people that elect people like Obama want the US to become socialist/ communits. In the real world all that does is ruin the will to make better things, in some cases even work for more money. Thus makes the country fall behind in times compared to other countries with the reason to work.
Edited by Gunghoe#1987 on 11/30/2012 3:20 AM PST
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This is the single most idiotic idea I've ever heard in my entire life.

People are so entitled these days. All flippers do is correct the economy. If an item is bought for 10m and relisted at 50m, then it's actually worth 50m. You wouldn't be complaining if that item was never listed at 10m, but instead was just listed at its actual value of 50m. Why do you feel you "deserve" these incorrectly priced items?

This.
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But it is perfectly fine when you get to Ah flip someone else, just not when they do it to you?
AMIRITE?

Yep, thought so. Just another entitlement whine thread.
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