I think allowing DW+quiver would make us too OP, since the other classes can't even use 2hand+offhand. However, DML gives more benefits for DH than DW coz you can easily get 18% ias with DML, plus ChC, hatred/disc, and vit.
To make DW desirable, the advantage of DW should be at par if not more than what DML currently has to offer, i.e. 20-25% ias + 5-7% ChC, which can simply be added to the archery passive (much like one of the other classes' passive that gives bonus to
I’ve been dual wielding hand crossbows since May, and absolutely love it. I used to use Nat’s Slayer for the longest time, last time I checked Diablo Progress I had the 4th best Nat’s Slayer in the world, but have since upgraded to Danetta’s set because of the low DPS, 846, on the Slayer. With that said, I completely agree with sentiments expressed in this thread about the dismal state of DW, and am pleased to see all the excellent suggestions provided by other DHs. I hope the CMs can forward some of them to the developers.
While reading this thread, I was thinking that a great solution would be to modify the archery passive to grant an additional 10% IAS when dual wielding, then I read your post. :D
I still think that the best means of improving dual wield is through the passive skills, specifically Archery. For example, when using 1 handed crossbows gain: +10% critical hit chance, and +10% IAS when dual wielding.
I do not want to see, however, some bogus new passive that grants 5% critical hit chance when dual wielding or some such nonsense. This wouldn’t solve anything, and only cause us dual wielders more frustration when choosing passives.
The suggestions about discipline regeneration bonuses from dual wielding are innovative, but wouldn’t really address the issue IMHO.
Something that hasn’t been suggested yet that could go a long ways towards addressing some of the maladies associated with dual wielding is allowing players to add sockets* to items. This would instantly make both the Slayer and Revenge more attractive as players could find/buy unsocketed versions with innate CD and then socket them. Disclaimer: I have CD Slayer and Revenge tucked away in my stash in the event we can add sockets to items, so I have a vested interest in this one ;-).
I don’t think the DPS on any of the hand crossbows, Slayer included, needs to be buffed. The developers just need to give us a little more passive support, that’s all. I would like to reiterate that this problem was caused by the existence of the DML.
*The socket would be an additional affix (i.e., it would not replace any of the existing affixes). Socketing items should be done by Shen with a cost of around 5 million gold, and yes, to some of us 5 mil is still a lot. Additionally, when the item is socketed it should be bound to account, to act as an item sink and so the overall economy isn’t too greatly effected by this new feature.
I agree, while the suggestions on increased resource regeneration are innovative, they simply do not address the core issue, damage output.
11/21/2012 02:56 PMPosted by SlaughtermomWith the "new" DML (great roll vs great roll Nettas) we gain ~ 10k HP losing 100 DPS and style..
Please explain to me: What has dual wielding to do with disc regeneration ?
There is a serious imbalance concerning damage and hitpoints. Plain and simple.
In my book dual wielding should do higher dps than manticore + dml, just because you sacrifice so much survivability. That should be the trade off, and not vice versa.
Please no stupid utility, because that is not the point of dual wielding. The point is stacking huge ammounts of crit damage... plain and simple.
speed superiority will not be top DPS.12/02/2012 02:55 AMPosted by Jadawinbecause that is not the point of dual wielding. The point is stacking huge ammounts of crit damage... plain and simple.
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