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Ok, I took the 1000th ranked Barb/DH, 900th ranked monk, and 800th ranked WD. My impression is that there are more Barb/DH than wiz and fewer WD than wiz. I rounded to the nearest 50K ehp.
Thanks for this. It seems about right I think. I will go by this for other classes.
@ Peace, I don't understand how you didn't make the club? But I guess that's why this makes an exclusive club. Heh. You probably need 7k vit? get it somewhere...I say from Nat boots where you are missing vit.
@yodatoy, Yes EHP is just as important. I can put in gems or I have other vanities like rings and amulets or even gems, gears to swap out and I can do that easily and still make the cut for this club.
But thats not the challenge I am facing. Its maintaining and raising the highest DPS I can get with 500kEhp with good mitigation is what I am striving for at the moment.
Still a good exclusive club to be in, just feel the minimum criteria for a CM/WW wiz is abit low.
Edited by Peace#1608 on 1/7/2013 8:34 PM PST
I'm pretty sure I have way more than 500k
Vit is not biased and this is one of the reasons 500K benchmark makes it exclusive. You got very nice Armor/AR but still didn't make 500K club due to the lack of Vit. You are the prime example of why this club can be exclusive. Thanks for sharing your character.
We have to balance everything out in order to make 500KEHP.
Edited by yodatoy#1838 on 1/8/2013 8:17 AM PST
He is correct in a sense. EHP from vit stackers is over inflated, as often times they don't have the life regen to effectively use that EHP. So they may have a huge EHP value, but they aren't able to be topped off so in essence Effective Health Points, become Half Effective Health Points.
Since this is just a club for 500k EHP, it really matters not. However, in the general scheming of EHP, vitality is a false inflator.
436k EHP... This is why I say EHP numbers are crap and are VIT biased.
Er no. What it means is all he needs to do is swap a vit gem or 2 into his gears, lose a bit of sheet dps from the Int gems loss, then slam bam, whaddya know, 500K+ EHP
Same applies to me. Loss a couple vit gems, cool story at 500K+ EHP, but guess what? It means NOTHING in practice for me. All adding VIT does for me at this point is makes my "Buffer" a little fatter. But why make it fatter when it's already never more than ~10% below full barring lag or something stupid (such as standing on 3 arcane vertices)
All that matters is getting your Vit to the point where your EHP is enough for your "buffer" to eat 1-shots, e.g. molten blast, arcane pass thru, fallen explosion, etc. The rest is all about having the necessary attack speed, loh, freezability, and most important MITIGATION in order to make your buffer very robust, not require lots of fattness, just robustness
Edited by Alesso#1854 on 1/8/2013 9:26 AM PST
Well, I have been there before too. I had built my wiz where I kept building my HP up to high 60K but below avg AR/Armor. Survivability was difficult and MP7 farming was definitely capable but still died too easily. Ultimately, I realized balancing both your mitigation and hp is what's important. Currently, my Armor has not reached 5000 but getting close. Otherwise, I'm relatively comfortable with my AR of 800+ and HP of 40K+. Basically, you can not just stack one place. On top that, I agree you gotta have attack speed, loh, etc etc.
I have tried everything from high LOH, high attack speed, high CC, etc etc. You can not just increase one stat over another. They all have to be balanced. We mainly think about how to raise "just DPS". May be that's important for Archon wiz who mainly farm MP0-MP3 for fast exp. But in order to have a balanced wiz where you can farm MP0-MP10, esp Uber MP10, then mitigation definitely comes into play. I feel 500KEHP is a good baseline to start in my opinion.
After posting the thread, I found out that it's not that difficult to reach 500K+EHP if you overlooked DPS (some people had like 10K DPS/500K+ EHP)and other stats. Hence, I added 100KDPS as a min condition. We all know that as a start up SNS CM wiz, it was not that easy to gear up to attain 100KDPS/500KEHP in the beginning. It took farely long enough time to get to where we are so that makes this club somewhat exclusive.
On a side note, last night, I got my armor to 6000+/AR to 1000/HP to 80+ but only 60KDPS. I was able to kill an elite in MP7 but took me 15min/elite. They surely couldn't kill me but I surely couldn't kill them fast enough.
Edited by yodatoy#1838 on 1/8/2013 9:59 AM PST
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