Diablo® III

SNS CD PING and you

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My favorite macro on my razer naga is just a simple repeat:123. But you can set the button 2 ways:
1) press and hold to spam
2) press to start spamming, press again to stop spamming.

Many a times I've used option 2 in the Gohm/Rak fight. Stack them up, hit button. Done. Go downstairs, pour drink, get snack, hit the head, come back upstairs. Battle just finishing up. They're locked down so well,.....why not?!

Its pretty funny. And sad too I guess. Its obviously the only time I can do that. I imagine the dev's didn't imagine the game to be played that way, lol.
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There is a lot of ways to get more DPS from SNS but thats not the point. Trying to at least keep build same and focus in on PING. There are enough other variables like CC, ias CD. Besides SNS is what we farm with.
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 1/17/2013 7:40 AM PST
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Chris....both of those have been done. I think, like Amiless alluded to, you're always giving up too much. With firewalkers, yeah, you might gain 0.5 multiplier, but you have to give up your Nats and the bonus to do it. Not to mention evocation as well. With MW/electrify.....I'll do it when playing in groups at high MP, where you're moving slowly anyway (and won't miss TP) and where enemies hang around longer (where MW/electrify works best). Otherwise, standard SNS is pretty much impossible to beat.
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Mp8 Ghom 70,625k HP @ 67 ping on average (90-110 fps around)

Run #1 57.06 seconds
2.79 aps
59.5 CC (56.5 CC unbuffed)
157.9k dps (CD chants / dps amulet)

57.06 seconds

Run#2 65.7 seconds
3.01 aps
59.5 cc (56.5 CC unbuffed)
134.4k dps (APS chants / dps amulet)

Run#3 73.4 seconds
3.01 aps
62.0cc (59% CC unbuffed)
69% ET CC
110kdps (APS chants / Mara's amulet)

Run#4 67.6 seconds
2.83 aps
62.0CC (59% CC unbuffed)
69% ET CC
Electrify
114k dps (APS Chants / Mara's amulet)

(dps epeen gear)Run #1 1,237.7K dps (1.2M) 157k dps sheet = 7.8x multipler

(standard gear) Run #2 1,074.9K dps (1.07M) 134.4k dps sheet = 8x multiplier

(uber run gear) Run #3 962.1K dps (962k) 110k dps sheet = 8.74x multiplier (gotta love ETCC)

(High MP run gear) Run #4 1,044.7K dps (1.04M) 114k dps sheet = 9.16x multiplier (likely drastically underestimated vs elites as electrify multiplies)

Average dps and multiplier: 1,079,850 DPS 8.4x multiplier

So pretty much getting the same average multiplier as last time I tested 8.35-8.42x but dps is rising as last time was 700-800ks. good to know making some progress in 2 months =/

ET CC is king of multipliers..I can't imagine what even 14% ET CC + 65% CC + deep freeze (15%) + 3 aps on elites do with electrify, would be absolutely terrifying multiplier..from my guess it would be around 14-16x...

Problem is without Mara's, u need skull grasp ect + slorak's. Slorak's is too slow, cannot reach 3 aps without time stretch. time stretch = no electrify. With Mara's you'd need an APS + CC + ET CC mara's (never even seen one) and a skull grasp to by pass needing Slorak's. And either or any combo you'd need bad pants unless you get ET CC chants (which I have). ET CC chants = no CD at all on weapon = lots of dps sacrifice just to multiplier peen and keep aps at 3.

With Slorak's you'd need all 9 aps slots (including bad pants) to just reach 2.74 break point ... Skull grasp could be a 6% though and you'd still be @ 2.75 aps

zomg Aph where u at must test XD
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 1/17/2013 8:21 AM PST
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01/17/2013 07:41 AMPosted by PieHole
I'll do it when playing in groups at high MP, where you're moving slowly anyway (and won't miss TP)


Damn... TP is such a wonderful defensive tool I always miss it when I go to do ubers and drop it for time bubble.
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MP5 Ghom. 25m HP took about 25s with 250ms ping. DPS at 210k.
Multiplier seems to be only 4.7x (;
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MP5 Ghom. 25m HP took about 25s with 250ms ping. DPS at 210k.
Multiplier seems to be only 4.7x (;


Try MP7 or 8 ghom, should get better results. those with high CD and lower CC aren't going to have very good multipliers however they should be doing higher HP tests since high CD = unstable dps spikes - needs more of an average to balance out.

I could be king of multipliers all day long with my set ups but my dps would be crappy, would much rather have 200k :P
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 1/17/2013 8:05 AM PST
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Mp8 Ghom 70,625k HP

Run #1 57.06 seconds
2.79 aps
59.5 CC
157.9k dps (CD chants / dps amulet)

57.06 seconds

Run#2 65.7 seconds
3.01 aps
59.5 cc
134.4k dps (APS chants / dps amulet)

Run#3 73.4 seconds
3.01 aps
62.0cc
69% ET CC
110kdps (APS chants / Mara's amulet)

Run#4 67.6 seconds
2.83 aps
62.0CC
69% ET CC
Electrify
114k dps (APS Chants / Mara's amulet)

(dps epeen gear)Run #1 1,237.7K dps (1.2M) 157k dps sheet = 7.8x multipler

(standard gear) Run #2 1,074.9K dps (1.07M) 134.4k dps sheet = 8x multiplier

(uber run gear) Run #3 962.1K dps (962k) 110k dps sheet = 8.74x multiplier (gotta love ETCC)

(High MP run gear) Run #4 1,044.7K dps (1.04M) 114k dps sheet = 9.16x multiplier (likely drastically underestimated vs elites as electrify multiplies)

Average dps and multiplier: 1,079,850 DPS 8.4x multiplier

So pretty much getting the same average multiplier as last time I tested 8.35-8.42x but dps is rising as last time was 700-800ks. good to know making some progress in 2 months =/

ET CC is king of multipliers..I can't imagine what even 14% ET CC + 65% CC + deep freeze (15%) + 3 aps on elites do with electrify, would be absolutely terrifying multiplier..from my guess it would be around 14-16x...

Problem is without Mara's, u need skull grasp ect + slorak's. Slorak's is too slow, cannot reach 3 aps without time stretch. time stretch = no electrify. With Mara's you'd need an APS + CC + ET CC mara's (never even seen one) and a skull grasp to by pass needing Slorak's. And either or any combo you'd need bad pants unless you get ET CC chants (which I have). ET CC chants = no CD at all on weapon = lots of dps sacrifice just to multiplier peen and keep aps at 3.

With Slorak's you'd need all 9 aps slots (including bad pants) to just reach 2.74 break point ... Skull grasp could be a 6% though and you'd still be @ 2.75 aps

zomg Aph where u at must test XD


brother J try venom, electrify doesnt do crap on ghom beyond the standard 10% MW boost.

CC over rated. your over 15 CC than me and still lower multiplier.

I've know this since Mr Chang sent me down the wrong road and 60m wasted with lagacy nats and bunch of other CC crap with his classic "those with high CC may not notice nerf" line
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 1/17/2013 8:10 AM PST
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Mp8 Ghom 70,625k HP

Run #1 57.06 seconds
2.79 aps
59.5 CC
157.9k dps (CD chants / dps amulet)

57.06 seconds

Run#2 65.7 seconds
3.01 aps
59.5 cc
134.4k dps (APS chants / dps amulet)

Run#3 73.4 seconds
3.01 aps
62.0cc
69% ET CC
110kdps (APS chants / Mara's amulet)

Run#4 67.6 seconds
2.83 aps
62.0CC
69% ET CC
Electrify
114k dps (APS Chants / Mara's amulet)

(dps epeen gear)Run #1 1,237.7K dps (1.2M) 157k dps sheet = 7.8x multipler

(standard gear) Run #2 1,074.9K dps (1.07M) 134.4k dps sheet = 8x multiplier

(uber run gear) Run #3 962.1K dps (962k) 110k dps sheet = 8.74x multiplier (gotta love ETCC)

(High MP run gear) Run #4 1,044.7K dps (1.04M) 114k dps sheet = 9.16x multiplier (likely drastically underestimated vs elites as electrify multiplies)

Average dps and multiplier: 1,079,850 DPS 8.4x multiplier

So pretty much getting the same average multiplier as last time I tested 8.35-8.42x but dps is rising as last time was 700-800ks. good to know making some progress in 2 months =/

ET CC is king of multipliers..I can't imagine what even 14% ET CC + 65% CC + deep freeze (15%) + 3 aps on elites do with electrify, would be absolutely terrifying multiplier..from my guess it would be around 14-16x...

Problem is without Mara's, u need skull grasp ect + slorak's. Slorak's is too slow, cannot reach 3 aps without time stretch. time stretch = no electrify. With Mara's you'd need an APS + CC + ET CC mara's (never even seen one) and a skull grasp to by pass needing Slorak's. And either or any combo you'd need bad pants unless you get ET CC chants (which I have). ET CC chants = no CD at all on weapon = lots of dps sacrifice just to multiplier peen and keep aps at 3.

With Slorak's you'd need all 9 aps slots (including bad pants) to just reach 2.74 break point ... Skull grasp could be a 6% though and you'd still be @ 2.75 aps

zomg Aph where u at must test XD


brother J try venom, electrify doesnt do crap on ghom beyond the standard 10% MW boost.

CC over rated. your over 15 CC than me and still lower multiplier.


Venom!? Doesn't seem good to me but I'll try!

Well 23 ping probably has to do with that too lol! that's amazing latency, likely better fps as well. You did see I got 9.16x multiplier using electrify right? You're @ 8.66 which was better overall but not better with electify...

congrats though you've really come up in multipliers! I've stayed pretty much the same - course same can be said about my dps for the last 2 months without archon gears :P

Also you might be confusing ET CC with overall CC, looks like I'm only about 8% CC higher than you base and with my standard gear only 5% higher, that CC is buffed btw after scoundrel... thought it was senseless dismissing him since that's how I play with him. I know that's how a couple get their breakpoint using follower too.

The unbuffed CC is 8% lower on all tests, when I test I strip him of his gears, only his 3% CC buff (I know he does pathetic dps anyway but could still throw off numbers)
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 1/17/2013 8:16 AM PST
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when I run with my best gear, my sheet says about 77k and I run about 700k dps on no mob in peticular. so its about 9, my ping is about 133 usually. I find that I actually get less while using macro mouse when my ping is this high, but on the rare occasion I am running under 100, the mouse seems to give me the better results as appossed to manual. I use the diablo 3 mouse FYI.
Edited by apotheun#1677 on 1/17/2013 8:12 AM PST
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K my latency is always over 250 and I get the 8x muliplier as well...

I know noone wants to outright say it.... but who's using macro's and who isnt. I bet its part of the equation.


Aph doesnt know maths me thinks. video like mine please showing skills and dps and kill for these wilds outliers.

Oh an I wrote best macro ever for those interested.

1. sends 123 at random times between 37-82 ms
2. sends 123 in 6 random order since there are 6 permutations possible

impossible to look machine. looks human

aimless1700 at gmail.com


btw 37-82 ms is not human at all. Open notepad and test your macro. After do it manually 123. Use a watch/timer and stop when you reach the end of screen (1 line is enough) My macro give me the same time as manually.

I tested with vb program. I use 3 finger and hit 1-2 in same time,after I hit key3 (0-5ms for 1-2 key and about 100-150ms for key 3).
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J get over 10 with MW, up to 12x with MW conflag FW, but this is SNS....
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Aph doesnt know maths me thinks. video like mine please showing skills and dps and kill for these wilds outliers.

Oh an I wrote best macro ever for those interested.

1. sends 123 at random times between 37-82 ms
2. sends 123 in 6 random order since there are 6 permutations possible

impossible to look machine. looks human

aimless1700 at gmail.com


btw 37-82 ms is not human at all. Open notepad and test your macro. After do it manually 123. Use a watch/timer and stop when you reach the end of screen (1 line is enough) My macro give me the same time as manually.

I tested with vb program. I use 3 finger and hit 1-2 in same time,after I hit key3 (0-5ms for 1-2 key and about 100-150ms for key 3).


It is if you press three keys at once.
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01/17/2013 08:15 AMPosted by Aimless
J get over 10 with MW, up to 12x with MW conflag FW, but this is SNS....


Correct, anyway you're confusing my CC levels, I put the update up there but those CC levels are completely buffed after scoundrel, the unbuffed is 8% lower thus making mine only about 6% higher than yours base (excluding ET CC) .. CC does matter trust me bro, especially with electrify + ET CC. nothing will come close to 2 pieces of ET CC gear (13+ ET CC) + 60+CC with 3 aps and electrify - it will blow every other multiplier out of the water trust me. Just need the gears to test it!

What is MW?
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 1/17/2013 8:26 AM PST
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btw 37-82 ms is not human at all. Open notepad and test your macro. After do it manually 123. Use a watch/timer and stop when you reach the end of screen (1 line is enough) My macro give me the same time as manually.

I tested with vb program. I use 3 finger and hit 1-2 in same time,after I hit key3 (0-5ms for 1-2 key and about 100-150ms for key 3).


It is if you press three keys at once.

your keyboard support 3 key in same time ? mine only 2
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01/17/2013 08:18 AMPosted by MasterJay
J get over 10 with MW, up to 12x with MW conflag FW, but this is SNS....


Correct, anyway you're confusing my CC levels, I put the update up there but those CC levels are completely buffed after scoundrel, the unbuffed is 8% lower thus making mine only about 6% higher than yours base (excluding ET CC) .. CC does matter trust me bro, especially with electrify + ET CC.

What is MW?


Magic Weapon. Try MW venom on gohm by far best rune. Electrify doesn't do anything unless 3 or more enemy.

Yeah it matters but cost vs benefit of 5 CC vs anything else (ias, CD) is horrendous so I don't sweat it after they locked well.
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Updated Stats for Ghom Test:
n = 22
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List of Players (Ranked By Slowest-to-Fastest Latency with Accompanying DPS Multiplier)
novice = 500ms/3.4x and 305ms/4.8x
worx = 300ms/4.95x
Fatamorgana = 275ms/6.9x
chrisloup = 253ms/6.16x
Torrential = 250ms/4.7x
DarrylLaw = 230ms/6.73x
tekkzero = 129ms/6.9x
Vikesfan353 = 125ms/6.62
killerElite = 116ms/7.76x
QIpcquebec = 116ms/7.12x
SteelPhantom = 107.5ms/7.21x
Mystikal = 103ms/7.05x
molitro = 100ms/7.7x
Worloega = 100ms/6.72x
cykikvisage = 98ms/6.72x
Ossian = 74ms/7.43x and 84ms/7.17x
ximae = 55ms/8.1x
boozor = 55ms/8.4x
Mrmorph = 50ms/8x
aimless = 24ms/8.8x

Currently Not Added DataPoints
An1mA = 90ms/6.1x - not added (unclear if Bone Chill was used or not)
flowmotion = 108.5ms/6.23x - Removed from correlation, since aps is 2.18aps

Correlation Coefficient: r=-0.9028, p <0.0001
Bootstrapped Correlation Coefficient (Lower 5th Percentile): r = -0.7605, p <0.0001
Best Fit for Predicted DPSMultiplier: DPSMultiplier = latency*-0.0103 + 8.3974 (with normR = 2.35)

And here's the updated graph for those interested: http://imageshack.us/f/687/paperdpsvslatency.jpg/

Also, I will not add players without latency posted or if they are not using standard SNS: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#VQYXhT!bWg!YZcccc . You can have a different skill for teleport, but you should not use it in the test. For now unless people request it, measurements with outlier stats from the norm, such as very low/high CC (<40cc or >57cc) or IAS (<2.73aps or >3.33aps) will not be added. Though please feel free to contribute. It's just already so hard to quantify with so many variables to address. If I have accidentally added someone to the list that doesn't follow these guidelines, please let me know and I'll remove them.
Edited by TekkZero#1963 on 1/17/2013 8:37 AM PST
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Correct, anyway you're confusing my CC levels, I put the update up there but those CC levels are completely buffed after scoundrel, the unbuffed is 8% lower thus making mine only about 6% higher than yours base (excluding ET CC) .. CC does matter trust me bro, especially with electrify + ET CC.

What is MW?


Magic Weapon. Try MW venom on gohm by far best rune. Electrify doesn't do anything unless 3 or more enemy.

Yeah it matters but cost vs benefit of 5 CC vs anything else (ias, CD) is horrendous so I don't sweat it after they locked well.


Yah but what I'm saying is the 9.16x multiplier I got for electrify isn't represented correctly cuz of exactly what you said. In a normal situation (farming elites) you'd absolutely use electrify over venom, especially with 60% CC levels and ET CC+.

I'd have to do elites for a proper multiplier but that's a whole different test all together.. Venom would just be for ghom test peen lol..even on ubers Electify would be best...

But I'm curious now to see if Venom beats 9.16x so gonna do ET MAHN!!
Edited by MasterJay#1651 on 1/17/2013 8:30 AM PST
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It is if you press three keys at once.

your keyboard support 3 key in same time ? mine only 2


Yeah I have a nkro steel series game KB. But what should I mod ms times to for more human on like a cheap Dell?
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 1/17/2013 8:30 AM PST
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Magic Weapon. Try MW venom on gohm by far best rune. Electrify doesn't do anything unless 3 or more enemy.

Yeah it matters but cost vs benefit of 5 CC vs anything else (ias, CD) is horrendous so I don't sweat it after they locked well.


Yah but what I'm saying is the 9.16x multiplier I got for electrify isn't represented correctly cuz of exactly what you said. In a normal situation (farming elites) you'd absolutely use electrify over venom, especially with 60% CC levels and ET CC+.

I'd have to do elites for a proper multiplier but that's a whole different test all together.. Venom would just be for ghom test peen lol..even on ubers Electify would be best...

But I'm curious now to see if Venom beats 9.16x so gonna do ET MAHN!!


I need my TP crutch bro.:P I know you're trend setter on bubbles and MW but some of us are bad. Why u thik I buy all that AR ARMOR:D
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 1/17/2013 8:32 AM PST
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