Diablo® III

I see people are completely missing the point of BAO gear. If it was not BAO then it would be another option that isn't viable since the best ones will quickly depreciate on the AH and outclass anything you get.

This takes the focus away from the AH and lets people earn their own items... one of the most requested features since release. Hellfire was a great idea and if they make the new BAO items viable then it adds to that.

It's BOA bro not BAO. AH set items will still trump crafted rares in mostly every slot

01/12/2013 09:59 AMPosted by Zaxxon23

This is coming from the huge majority that quit months ago that always played Diablo without trading and enjoyed finding their own items. Your argument against people who enjoy finding their own items is ridiculous.

And your argument that most people played self-found and never traded is far more ridiculous.

Do you even know how many trading communities were setup outside of the game for trading? That doesn't happen when most people play self-found.

Not only did most players play offline.. a huge number of online players never even traded. It is far more rewarding finding your own items. You don't need to look no further than D3's release. The biggest controversy was D3 being online only.

Also like it or not there has been several topics and many complaints focused on people not finding their own gear. This addresses that.

I usually find about 1 items every 3-4 months worth trading. As in, 1 item that is worth 25m or more category.

If this is a trading game I don't know how I'm supposed to trade anything if all I find each day is a bunch of useless garbage.

I would be thrilled to be able to make a set of good gear for myself. However, like the Hellfire crafting, I could make 100 of them and every one of them could still be junk. We'll have to wait and see what the costs are.

01/12/2013 10:02 AMPosted by hampster

Also like it or not there has been several topics and many complaints focused on people not finding their own gear. This addresses that.

There were several topics in world of warcraft about how forced raiding turns off the vast majority of the playerbase. But just as Diablo is a trading game, wow is a raiding game.

Doing what players want is not always the best thing for a game. Why? Because players are selfish and short-sighted and cannot seperate their personal desires from the game as a whole.

It should be obvious that allowing players to find all their own gear does not fit into the concept of a treasure hunting and trading game. Just as it should be obvious that removing bind on pickup does not fit into the concept of a raiding game like wow.

BOA gear is just dumb. If I wanted to find (or in this case craft) all my own gear, I'D PLAY WOW!

WOW is a better game than D3 in nearly every single regard. The ONLY competitive advantage D3 has over wow is non-binding gear for treasure hunting. Now that is gone. Why would I EVER play this crappy game over wow when ultimately it's turned into a really really crappy wow clone?

What's next, raiding?

There are a ton of other competitors that do a wow clone 100x better than Diablo.

D3 is now officially done. Stick a fork in it. The designers did not understand what made D2 great when they designed the game, and this patch clearly shows that they STILL don't understand what made D2 great. They have made changes based on RED HERRINGS. The issues in this game were DESIGN related. The crappy linear style matchmaking, the removal of boss hunting and forced dungeon crawling, the NV mechanic which kills the addictiveness of the game. The ultimately boring end-game farming as a result of those linear changes. THOSE are the problems with this game. NOT itemization. I mean players have to be extremely bad nowadays to not be able to gear! WHY would they make changes based upon the aboslute LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR of players, who don't even understand what Diablo is about? It's just mind-boggling.

This entire development team needs to be canned RIGHT NOW. Blizzard needs to hire a competent development team who understands what Diablo is and how to take this base Diablo game in the right direction. D3 is still salvageable. It has a wonderful base to work with. It just has developers who have never understood what makes Diablo Diablo. Blizzard, please get rid of these devs NOW! Before this game truly does become unrecoverable.

how do BOE items affect you in the slightest? Some people will have them and some people won't... those that dont will still need your overpriced items in the AH.

01/12/2013 11:06 AMPosted by briarben

how do BOE items affect you in the slightest?

By minimizing and in some cases removing the market for multiple gear slots.

See, here's the forums in a month or two:

"I cannot sell anything on the auction house"

"auction house sux killed the game no one buys anything"

"does no one play this game anymore? can't sell anything"

Mark...my...words......

01/12/2013 09:53 AMPosted by Zaxxon23

Trading was never officially supported until D3.

Uh-huh. That's why there are multiple trading chat channels in D2. That's why drop rates for great stuff were one in millions.

The trading focus in D2 is obvious for anyone who wishes to open their eyes and think logically.

1/10

Now we know your trolling. If your going to bring up an argument, support it with facts and not some half assed attempt at trying to discredit people who were there when trading channels were created, how trading evolved in D2, and actually used third party sites, jsp, etc...

You likely have been around enough to know exactly what I am talking about, so dont put up some con and try the "WoW kiddie" crap. If you want to actually argue this point lets talk about it like adults and we can compare D1, 2, and 3 and discuss the pros and cons of what BoA/BoE in or out of crafting will do to the D3 economy.

If you know what affixes are available for each piece, how big the extra prime will be, exactly what materials will be needed, what quantity will be required, and how rare the drop rate is, then you are an expert on how the BoA craftables will kill the AH market (assuming thats an end of the world scenario in the first place).

So...I am looking forward to your posts on how the BoA's are going to kill the market.

01/12/2013 11:10 AMPosted by Zaxxon23

how do BOE items affect you in the slightest?

By minimizing and in some cases removing the market for multiple gear slots.

See, here's the forums in a month or two:

"I cannot sell anything on the auction house"

"auction house sux killed the game no one buys anything"

"does no one play this game anymore? can't sell anything"

Mark...my...words......

One other major factor is that the new gems will cost 80m +...How are we supposed to recoup that gold if nothing is selling? Assuming the new plans have sockets, it will cost hundreds of millions to buy the gems.

And lets not forget about the cost of upgrading our current gems, if you have 12 like i do that's about 1 bil gold to upgrade.

A few BOA items is not a big deal lets be honest, also gives the guys that can only play 5 hrs a week something to work towards.

Sure if you can 40hrs a week great but mist people can't do that, its not like all the best stuff is BOA.....

LOL Diablo is an AUCTION HOUSE game

01/12/2013 09:59 AMPosted by Zaxxon23

Do you even know how many trading communities were setup outside of the game for trading? That doesn't happen when most people play self-found.

Majority played self-found. I did, and my friends did.
Diablo II and LoD sold over 17 million copies.
Are there 17 million users on d2jsp? There wasn't even a hundred thousand users on jsp during d2's peak. If you consider that no one ever quit, and that every single account on d2jsp was there just for d2, then that's only 750k accounts. Not even 5% of Diablo II's user base.

Traders were a minority.

D2 had BiS crafted gear and it wasn't BoA.

I don't understand it from Blizz's POV. Don't they want to encourage RMAH activity so they get their vig? Seems like a lose/lose.

You don't have to be pro auction house to be anti-BOA. I've got 15 hellfire rings sitting in my stash that I would love to be able to give to friends (a couple who actually need a half decent one).

Having items that you can trade but NOT sell on the AH would be my first choice instead of BOA crap.

You can't really have it both ways, though. If your Hellfire rings weren't bound, you'd just see them at the AH, and cheaply at that. Then your friends wouldn't "need" yours.

I just mentioned the pro-auction house thing because it seems like the OP wants D3 to be a trading game. Yet you get posters on the forums that rant about how D3 is a trading game...
eh, can't please them all.

Did you not read that second paragraph?
Having items that you can trade but NOT sell on the AH would be my first choice instead of BOA crap.

Exclude them from being sold on the AH. Allow them to be traded between players, or at the very least dropped on the ground and picked up by anyone else.

I am perfectly happy with having some of the best gear in the game only obtainable by working hard for it, I just dislike the fact that I can't give it away to people who need it more than I do. It just sits in my stash until Blizz figures out a way to make salvaging viable again. (Let me have a random organ back from those !@#$ rings, hell even a portal).

01/12/2013 11:10 AMPosted by Zaxxon23

how do BOE items affect you in the slightest?

By minimizing and in some cases removing the market for multiple gear slots.

See, here's the forums in a month or two:

"I cannot sell anything on the auction house"

"auction house sux killed the game no one buys anything"

"does no one play this game anymore? can't sell anything"

Mark...my...words......

So you are saying you aren't actually playing the game.. you are playing the AH? Otherwise, this impacts your gameplay absolutely zero.

For me it sounds like some people are just mad that others also get a chance now to get some good armor. Everything will still have a market in the auction house it only might get cheaper.

i just love some of the comments from Zaxxon23. ah, how he calls others scrubs and bad players when he farms HELL! and 30 max discipline on his dh. that kid wouldnt survive mp0 on inferno

What don't people understand, those with the highest chance of the best in slot account bound gear will be those already at the top, the botters and flippers as some call them, as they can farm the materials faster.

Casuals with little play time have VERY little chance at this being in their favor. At least if they were trade-able you could get one without playing hundreds of hours, a necessary commitment if you want the gear progression the people complaining about the AH want.

Getting good gear takes playing the game, or using the real money alternative. BoA simply eliminates the RM alternative, it will still take those with itemization gripes forever to craft a decent one, longer because you can't recoup losses by selling sub-par pieces.

Yes, I have that feeling too. Especially if you have a look at the new gems blizzard is adding to the game. I mean 20 Million, a normal player needs weeks to get this amount of money. At least if he is unlucky and doesn't get any good drop to sell. And those gems only add a little to your character. Now as Blizzard stated those crafted Items can be best in slot and this sentence somehow tells me that this is going to cost millions and many hours of farming. So only the poeple having high end gear already now will most likely get something out of this. But this also means there will be more high end gear on the market since those all-day-long-players wont need them anymore. Thats why I think the prices might drop on the current high end gear. And this is still good.

I'm interested when all the crying will start after the release of the patch because of the ridiculous requirements for the account bound armor.

What does it feel like to be stupid? OP, can you explain it to me?