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Item Conditions Priority Lists

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With the addition of "Bind on Account" items obtained via crafting
since the 1.0.7, these lists change a bit. Basically the only
thing important to note is that for the slots available
(which atm is shoulders, amulet, gloves, chest, and bracers), the
crafted stuff now becomes BiS (best in slot).

The question of whether it's better to roll Dex or Vit depends on the max rolls of each per slot. For more info on this (and my
reasoning behind MY opinions) check this post out:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7592800637?page=7#130


I've been doing a lot of these for quite a while for myself, but why not share it with everybody else? So here I am lol :)

All this post will be is lists based on certain conditions, stating which commonly used items are better than others. I won't go into the math (unless asked) since there isn't much. I just know when it comes to making choices, its easier (at least for me) to look at a priority chart based on certain conditions, than it is to have to look at the stats on the items themselves over and over again. With that said, the lists will take into account the best possible stats each item can roll with the given situation in mind. The only lists that will be biased (somewhat) are the "endgame" and "budget" ones.

So here we go!

Head:
  • PDPS = Andariel's Visage > Mempo > Inna's
  • EDPS* = Inna's > Andariel's Visage > Mempo
  • EHP = Inna's > Mempo > Andariel's Visage
  • Mitigation = Mempo = Inna's > Andariel's Visage
  • Budget = Inna's > Andariel's Visage > Mempo
  • Endgame = Mempo > Inna's > Andariel's Visage
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    *This order (whether AV or Mempo is 2nd best) could be different based on 1.5% CC's Cyclone Generation value, which is also effected by APS
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    Shoulders:
  • Endgame = Vile Ward > everything else
    Finding comparable rares isn't worth the time, effort, or money. Just get these.
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    Necklace:
  • PDPS* = Rare > Mara's > Duncraig <> Tal's
  • EDPS* = Mara's > Rare > Duncraig <> Tal's
  • EHP = Duncraig > Rare > Mara's > Tal's
  • Mitigation = Rare > Mara's > Tal's > Duncraig
  • Budget = Rare > Duncraig > Tal's > Mara's
  • Endgame = Rare > Mara's > Duncraig > Tal's
  • -
    *depending on how much average damage you have and whether you're using 2 "black" weapons, 2pc Tal's could potentially make Allegiance more valuable than Duncraig where 9% elemental damage outweighs the loss of 35% CD
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    Chest:
  • PDPS = Tal's > Inna's > Cindercoat > Tyrael's = BT's = Rare > Zuni's = IK's
  • EDPS = Tyrael's > Tal's > Inna's > Cindercoat > BT's = Rare > Zuni's = IK's
  • EHP = Rare > Inna's > IK's > Cindercoat > BT's > Zuni's > Tal's > Tyrael's
  • Mitigation = Rare > BT's > IK's > Zuni's > Cindercoat > Inna's > Tal's > Tyrael's
  • Budget = Rare > Tyrael's > BT's > Cindercoat > Tal's > Zuni's > Inna's > IK's
  • Endgame = Inna's > Tal's > Rare > Cindercoat* > IK's > BT's > Tyrael's > Zuni's
  • -
    *Obviously this is the most situational option, as only monks using OWE with fire as their element will find use.
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    Gloves:
  • PDPS = Rare > T&T > IK's
  • EDPS = Rare > T&T > IK's
  • EHP = Rare > T&T > IK's
  • Mitigation = IK's > Rare > T&T
  • Budget = Rare > T&T > IK's
  • Endgame = Rare > T&T > IK's
  • -

    Belt:
  • PDPS* = WH <> Inna's > BT's > Rare
  • EDPS* = WH <> Inna's > BT's > Rare
  • EHP = BK's > Rare = WH > Inna's
  • Mitigation = Rare = WH > BT's > Inna's
  • Budget = Rare > BT's > Inna's > WH
  • Endgame = WH > Inna's > BT's > Rare
  • -
    *Based on item configurations, WH or Inna's both potentially offer the most pdps and edps
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    Bracers:
  • PDPS = Lacuni's > Rare > Strongarm
  • EDPS = Lacuni's > Rare > Strongarm
  • EHP = Strongarm > Rare > Lacuni's
  • Mitigation = Rare > Lacuni's > Strongarm
  • Budget = Rare > Strongarm > Lacuni's
  • Endgame = Lacuni's > Rare > Strongarm
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    Ring #1:
  • PDPS = Rare > Wailing Host > Unity > Litany
  • EDPS = Rare > Wailing Host > Unity > Litany
  • EHP = Rare > Litany > Wailing Host = Unity
  • Mitigation = Litany > Rare > Wailing Host = Unity
  • Budget = Rare > Unity > Litany > Wailing Host
  • Endgame = Rare > Litany > Wailing Host > Unity
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    Given the current state of knowledge (or lackthereof) in terms of SOJ's value, I chose to exclude it.
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    Ring #2:
  • PDPS = Rare > Nat's > Wailing Host > Unity
  • EDPS = Nat's > Rare > Wailing Host > Unity
  • EHP = Rare > Nat's > Wailing Host = Unity
  • Mitigation = Rare > Nat's > Wailing Host = Unity
  • Budget = Rare > Unity > Wailing Host > Nat's
  • Endgame = Nat's > Rare > Wailing Host > Unity
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    Given the current state of knowledge (or lackthereof) in terms of SOJ's value, I chose to exclude it.
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    Pants:
  • PDPS = Inna's > BT's = Rare
  • EDPS = Inna's > BT's = Rare
  • EHP = BT's > Rare > Inna's
  • Mitigation = Rare > BT's > Inna's
  • Budget = Rare > BT's > Inna's
  • Endgame = Inna's > BT's > Rare
  • -

    Boots:
  • PDPS = Ice Climbers > Zuni's > Nat's = Rare = BT's
  • EDPS = Nat's > Ice Climbers > Zuni's > Rare = BT's
  • EHP = Ice Climbers > BT's > Nat's > Zuni's > Rare
  • Mitigation = BT's > Nat's > Ice Climbers > Zuni's > Rare
  • Budget = Rare > BT's > Ice Climbers > Zuni's > Nat's
  • Endgame = Nat's > Ice Climbers > Zuni's > BT's > Rare
  • -

    MAINHAND:
  • PDPS = EF > Rare > FoA > FoL > BS
  • EDPS = EF > Rare > FoA > FoL > BS
  • Dual Wielding = EF > Rare > FoA > FoL > BS
  • DW Budget = Rare > Foa > FoL > BS > EF
  • Endgame = EF > Rare > BS > FoL > FoA
  • S&B = Rare > BS > FoL > EF > FoA
  • S&B Budget = Rare > FoA > FoL > BS > EF
  • 2H = Skorn > Rare > Flying Dragon > Maximus > Schaefers > Inna's
  • 2H Budget = Inna's > Schaefers > Flying Dragon > Maximus > Rare > skorn
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    For rares, the best balance is fast aps + base damage making priority: sword = fist > axe > dagger > mace > spear
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    OFFHAND:
  • PDPS = Rare > FoA > FoL > BS > WKL
  • EDPS = WKL > Rare > FoA > FoL > BS
  • Dual Wielding = WKL > Rare > FoA > FoL > BS
  • DW Budget = Rare > FoA > FoL > WKL > BS
  • Endgame = WKL > Rare > BS > FoL > FoA
  • S&B = Rare > Hallowed Defender > Stormshield > Ivory Tower
  • S&B Budget = Rare > Ivory Tower > Hallowed Defender > Stormshield
  • 2H = Skorn > Rare > Flying Dragon > Maximus > Schaefers > Inna's
  • 2H Budget = Inna's > Schaefers > Flying Dragon > Maximus > Rare > skorn
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    For rares, the best balance is fast aps + base damage making priority: sword = fist > axe > dagger > mace > spear
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    As I said in my thread (which has since been deleted :/), part of the math I used to determine which items were better when fulfilling each condition, was taking sample profiles ranging from 50k to 250k dps. This gave me 9 increments of 25k leaving ties impossible. So whichever item produced the best results at various gear levels, was chosen as the "best" for that condition.

    Anyways, this list (originally for myself) was inspired by Morionic. You can see his thread here:



    Hopefully these lists will be as useful for you guys as it has been for me. Well, at least when I'm daydreaming about one day finding some fancy drop and actually not being broke anymore lol.
    Edited by gotaplanstan#1369 on 4/4/2013 1:04 AM PDT
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    Thanks, I was waiting on this!
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    me likey, ive been tryin to plan out my monks mp5+gear for the last few days now
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    fyi Maximus proc is actually really useful since it procs at least once every fight, demon does ~35kdps and fire chain ~15k dps
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    01/09/2013 01:00 PMPosted by terminus
    fyi Maximus proc is actually really useful since it procs at least once every fight, demon does ~35kdps and fire chain ~15k dps

    Hmm. Thats one of the only things I was not 100% sure on the placing of. Does the slave persist until it dies, like any other minion, or does it have a fixed duration?

    I might have to buy a cheap one and do some testing, thanks for the heads up.
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    Slave lasts for a set duration unless it dies first. That's my experience. If you trap a mob along the fire chain, you'll notice the damage boost, that's for sure.
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    Head:
    PDPS = Andariel's Visage > Mempo > Inna's Radiance
    EDPS* = Inna's Radiance > Andariel's Visage > Mempo
    EHP = Inna's Radiance > Mempo > Andariel's Visage
    Mitigation = Mempo > Inna's Radiance > Andariel's Visage
    Budget = Inna's Radiance > Andariel's Visage > Mempo
    OVERALL = Mempo > Inna's Radiance > Andariel's Visage
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    If the Inna's is best choice for Edps, EHP and Budget, how is Mempo the overall better choice if you're looking for a helm that provides anything but mitigation?
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    Thanks! Nice lists. I'm sure there will be disputes, but this is an excellent conversation starter.

    And speaking of disputes..

    I know we've had lost of talk on Chests as of late. Have to say that I love Tal Rasha's chest for Monks. I personally think it's the best value a Monk can get for a chest right now, so I'm surprised you listed it so low for value.

    I got mine for 10m a short while back. Just checking the market for rares now (and rare prices might have come down a bit since then), there's maybe 1 chest of comparable value for any resist for 15m (less DPS, more mitigation). And that's only if you're using fire resist (I'm not), which is probably affected by the Cindercoat market. Most of the rest that are even close are 100m or more.

    I'm not sure how you define "budget", though, If you define it as requiring some value below the 10-20 million mark (for example if you're early on in gearing a Monk), basically everything but Inna's helm, Inna's Pant's, and Strongarm bracers will have to be limited to rare almost by definition. But for the most value for your buck in chests, it's really hard to beat Tal Rasha's.
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    Because the reason Radiance is slightly more edps is because of FoT and SW damage rolls. With no idea how the skill balancing will be handled in the future, the only logical choice is to pick the item which has stats which will remain relevant regardless of class balancing. That is the main reason I chose Mempo over Radiance. With the future in mind. Currently though, I would choose Radiance over Mempo.

    I also didn't use the budget section as weight for OVERALL. I agree OVERALL is somewhat misleading, I'll change it to Endgame to avoid further confusion.

    01/09/2013 01:26 PMPosted by Demiwraith
    I know we've had lost of talk on Chests as of late.

    You're not kidding. Honestly, this slot alone was the reason this thread has been delayed multiple days. It was such a sigh of relief when I finally finished it lol.
    Edited by gotaplanstan#1369 on 1/9/2013 1:29 PM PST
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    how does mempo provide better mitigation that an inna's can? inna's can double roll resists, as can memo, but you basically don't want a mempo with no crit chance.?
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    01/09/2013 01:29 PMPosted by MrMojoRisin
    how does mempo provide better mitigation that an inna's can? inna's can double roll resists, as can memo, but you basically don't want a mempo with no crit chance.?

    The only reason I can think of why I put a > instead of an = is because the range on dex is higher for Mempo. But you're right the top end is the same so it should be = not >.
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    Thanks! Nice lists. I'm sure there will be disputes, but this is an excellent conversation starter.

    And speaking of disputes..

    I know we've had lost of talk on Chests as of late. Have to say that I love Tal Rasha's chest for Monks. I personally think it's the best value a Monk can get for a chest right now, so I'm surprised you listed it so low for value.

    I got mine for 10m a short while back. Just checking the market for rares now (and rare prices might have come down a bit since then), there's maybe 1 chest of comparable value for any resist for 15m (less DPS, more mitigation). And that's only if you're using fire resist (I'm not), which is probably affected by the Cindercoat market. Most of the rest that are even close are 100m or more.

    I'm not sure how you define "budget", though, If you define it as requiring some value below the 10-20 million mark (for example if you're early on in gearing a Monk), basically everything but Inna's helm, Inna's Pant's, and Strongarm bracers will have to be limited to rare almost by definition. But for the most value for your buck in chests, it's really hard to beat Tal Rasha's.

    I must be a little confused about the bolded. I seem to recall it being pretty easy to find rare chests with 200+ vit, dex, and [Your Resist] for fairly cheap.
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    01/09/2013 01:26 PMPosted by Demiwraith
    'm not sure how you define "budget", though

    By budget I basically meant for anybody stepping foot in Inferno for the first time. Starter might be a better word?

    01/09/2013 01:34 PMPosted by Piffle
    I must be a little confused about the bolded. I seem to recall it being pretty easy to find rare chests with 200+ vit, dex, and [Your Resist] for fairly cheap.

    Yeah. People are so quick to jump on sets and legendaries. Doing all this work even opened my eyes somewhat to how viable rare chests, belts, and to a lesser degree pants and boots still are.

    01/09/2013 01:26 PMPosted by Demiwraith
    I'm surprised you listed it so low for value.

    Personally and numerically I had it at 2nd best behind Inna's. Its just hard to argue against 6 MDR and 12% life and potentially 2pc bonus.
    Edited by gotaplanstan#1369 on 1/9/2013 2:00 PM PST
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    Hrmmm so I have BiS (In your opinion) in every slot except the helm for endgame...

    Better save for a 6 CC mempo. Although i like my 14% SW Innas.

    (not wearing it all in my profile lol).
    Edited by Cayzer#6828 on 1/9/2013 1:58 PM PST
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    Yeah. People are so quick to jump on sets and legendaries. Doing all this work even opened my eyes somewhat to how viable rare chests, belts, and to a lesser degree pants and boots still are.


    Extremely hard to move away from set bonus stats which give the greatest bang for buck. I really hate the loss of resists on some set items but the bonus stats cannot be reproduced on rares so we are forced mainly to use set items.

    Great work though gotaplanstan.
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    01/09/2013 01:34 PMPosted by Piffle
    I must be a little confused about the bolded. I seem to recall it being pretty easy to find rare chests with 200+ vit, dex, and [Your Resist] for fairly cheap.


    Well, the chest I have has 410 base armor, 3 sockets (150 Dex), 244 Vit, 74 total resist, 8% IAS. So you'd need to have some sockets to start approaching the relative value of it. And a decent roll on the resist (possibly with AR or an armor roll).

    Anyway didn't search THAT hard the first time. I'm not really looking forward to finding out that I overpaid for my Chest armor...

    ...I just did some more searching, loosening my search requirements. I'm hard pressed to find any DPS improvements for 10m, but if I widen the net a bit (allow for less resists / more Vit or more vit / less resists, etc.) I can find a few more comparable pieces in the 5m to 25m range. More of the less DPS, more EHP or slight less of both variety. So I still think Tal Rasha's can be comparable value to a rare, expecially if yuo value higher raw DPS and attack speed, which I think many people do.
    Edited by Demiwraith#1534 on 1/9/2013 2:18 PM PST
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    Yeah, by posting this thread I'm not trying to tell people they should be using X item because it can potentially roll better stats than Y item. Its just a mathematic chart of sorts to give people an idea of which item offers the most of what they may need in a specific slot at any given time. Just a reference point, in case anyone is having a tough time deciding which path to take.

    I really hope you didn't overpay, and if it were my fault that you discovered this....I'd be a sad panda.

    Hopefully this will help more than hinder people going forward lol...
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    Uhhh... So dumb question Inc:

    What does "PDPS" and "EDPS" Stand for? :s I could make a guess but I wouldn't want to be far off and make more of an !@# of myself lol.
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    Paper dps. Effective dps.
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    Thanks! Nice lists. I'm sure there will be disputes, but this is an excellent conversation starter.

    Yes, I agree. Thanks for putting this together, as it can serve to be a good reference / conversation starter for monks who are gearing up. I like how you generated the list based on gearing philosophy. I also agree with Demiwraith that there may be room for discussion, but great work in putting this together.

    I hope Kameljabber includes this in his resource thread, as this can be a valuable addition to what he has already put together. I think I'll put a link to this thread in his thread.
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