Diablo® III

Mid-tier WW barb advice!

I would consider myself a mid-tier WW barb... I am capable of key farming MP7 with very few deaths.

I have been trying to hit a few IAS break points (from the advice of PhatPhoeater) but I want to ensure I am on the right track.

From what I've gauged... I need 4 atk speed modifiers + .24 OH EF.

My current set up... I have:

9% on bracers
9% on helm
8% on ring
8% on gloves (currently have 7%)
+.24 AS on EF OH

Then I will replace my IAS/CC ammy to a CC/CD ammy gaining the CD I lost on my EF OH.

I believe that gets me at the a correct breaking point.

Can anyone help me out if I am doing this correct?
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Right now, with WOTB you are at 2.66 APS MH and 2.49 APS OH. You need probably 1% IAS to get to the next breakpoint with your offhand, so yeah, looks pretty correct.

Here is the detailed calculater: http://www.d3rawr.com/d

Just import your character with your battletag and put the correct buffs on in the bottom left section. Then you can calculate your tdps vs elites. Right now you're at about 750k vs elites.

After you get your glove upgrade, I'd recommend a MH with more damage range.
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@bigtexasdan

Thanks! Yeah, I use d3rawr. Question, what does this breakpoint really allow me to do? My understanding is that it allows me to hit the next lvl of ticks on my tornadoes.

Any other suggestions for others?

I plan to try and get a better ammy (the one I have is my farming one) and then gloves. I guess my MH might be the next upgrade?
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I question the EF on your OH... why dont you look for a dagger with ias? that would surely bump you up. Check mine out (it wasnt expensive either)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/sobejoe-1896/hero/5050895
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any other suggestions?
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From a build mechanic perspective your set is solid with the proposed changes to hit 2.5 aps on both weapons. I should qualify my recommendations for 2.5 aps on both hands. There are setups that dont hit 2.5 but hit 2.86/2.23 which balance out that require less slots of IAS but are generally more expensive. 8ias axe in mh with EF in OH can hit these bp with only 2 slots of IAS, but finding a suitable axe is ridiculously expensive.

For more dps you need str on your ammy and I would consider adding more cd or cc. One of these should be near max. You have alot of CD currently and good CC.

I would stick to farming an MP lvl where you can go opks. If your ehp/sustain isnt good enough to where you need to use opca, it probably isn't worth doing.
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Common breakpoint:
aps ticks per second
2 6.67
2.5 8.57
2.86 10
3.33 12


mace+0.25 EFury
Weapon speed mace echofury
IAS 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.45 1.45
1x9ias 9 1.788 1.937 2.086 2.235 2.1605 2.1605
2x9ias 18 1.896 2.054 2.212 2.37 2.291 2.291
3x9ias 27 2.004 2.171 2.338 2.505 2.4215 2.4215
4x9ias 36 2.112 2.288 2.464 2.64 2.552 2.552
5x9ias 45 2.22 2.405 2.59 2.775 2.6825 2.6825
6x9ias 54 2.328 2.522 2.716 2.91 2.813 2.813
7x9ias 63 2.436 2.639 2.842 3.045 2.9435 2.9435
8x9ias 72 2.544 2.756 2.968 3.18 3.074 3.074


check out underline on above table:
- if you use mace, you will need 8x9ias item tor each 2.5aps break point
- if you buy 0.25 echo fury for offhand, both your MH mace and offhand will reach 2.5aps breakpoint with just 4x 9ias item

a few good combo:
3x9ias + mace MH +dagger Offhand = 2.0 and 2.5 breakpoint
4x9ias + mace MH + 0.25 EF offhand = both hand on 2.5aps break point
5x9ias + axe MH + dagger offhand = 2.5 and 2.86 breakpoint

to calculate your aps:
aps = weapon speed x (100 + items ias + 0.15 DW + 0.25 WTOB)
eg:
aps = 1.2 weapon speed x (100 + 0.72 items + 0.15 dw + 0.25 wtob) = 2.544
Edited by huanAK#6843 on 1/10/2013 6:35 PM PST
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a few good combo:
4x9ias + mace MH + 0.25 EF offhand = both hand on 2.5aps break point


Careful. This implies you need 36ias. With a .25 Ef and standard non-ias mace MH you only need 33ias. This means at a minimum you need 8/8/8/9. This is far less expensive than going 9/9/9/9.
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@garthandal I was suggesting the switch for more aps... by putting that ef on mh and using a isa dagger his aps will go up. However, his weapons are nice because of the cd and sock and i did not realize he had life steal in the ef so my bad...
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@PhatPhoEater

I am looking for a new ammy with atleast 8CC and a mix of str and CD.

I've been looking @ a few which would boost my DPS 5-7K dps. The other thing though is I'd likely need some vit or life%... reasoning is that my gloves have so much vit and its unlikely I will be able to get that much on my new set and I don't want to dip below 40K health (which I currently have).

I am looking for 8% atk spd, 8% CC gloves with 15-25ish CD... str as well.

I usually farm MP1 but i don't run WOTB cause its hard to sustain. In that set up I use OPKS.

Maybe I will try something around MP2 or 3 for farming with WOTB and opks
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I usually farm MP1 but i don't run WOTB cause its hard to sustain. In that set up I use OPKS.

Maybe I will try something around MP2 or 3 for farming with WOTB and opks


This is 100% personal preference. I prefer the pace of gaming with permawrath even if it wasnt the most exp/hr efficient method. I wasnt going to do 20min alk runs though. I chose an MP where I was still doing alk runs in about 10m and getting decent exp/hr.
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Yeah, I have farming gear that bumps me to around 400% MF (total) when I farm (alk runs MP1). Its the easiest in terms of the MP lvl but still getting great exp and legs.

I think I lucked out with that EF OH :). How is it? I think it was 18 mill.
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fair price EF.
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Okay, I've got a question.. As a test I put some numbers into d3rawr to see if I'd hit the 2.5APS with 33+ IAS and a .25 EF. For some reason, even with +39 IAS that comes out to 2.23 APS for me..

Am I doing something wrong here?..

Here's a pic with the pertinent sections of D3rawr.

http://i.imgur.com/TsGvB.jpg
Edited by thhoj#1551 on 1/11/2013 11:08 AM PST
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its easier if you use the detailed dps/ehp page and click save. a link will be generated on the left side. you can copy link and paste here
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Here's the link http://www.d3rawr.com/d-2vrWY
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Okay, I've got a question.. As a test I put some numbers into d3rawr to see if I'd hit the 2.5APS with 33+ IAS and a .25 EF. For some reason, even with +39 IAS that comes out to 2.23 APS for me..

Am I doing something wrong here?..

Here's a pic with the pertinent sections of D3rawr.

http://i.imgur.com/TsGvB.jpg


At the bottom, did you add WOTB into your buffs?
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Ohhhh.. this is with WOTB active.. Alright, that makes sense. Stupid me. I thought we were aiming for 2.5APS with WOTB not active.
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@bigtexasdan

Thanks! Yeah, I use d3rawr. Question, what does this breakpoint really allow me to do? My understanding is that it allows me to hit the next lvl of ticks on my tornadoes.

Any other suggestions for others?

I plan to try and get a better ammy (the one I have is my farming one) and then gloves. I guess my MH might be the next upgrade?


Yeah, it gives you more ticks per tornado. MH damage range is probably the most important stat for tornado DPS. If you're on a budget try to find something similar to my MH, without native CD or LS big damage maces are fairly inexpensive.

As for amulet, you can get a 10cc 50+ CD avg damage amulet for a few million. Getting a higher CD is better but it will cost more. If you've got some cash saved up, consider spending it to get a CC/CD/Str/avg dmg and maybe some VIT/life%, I was looking at some last night that were pretty solid and they were 30-70m.
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