I'm sorry Blizzard but are you crazy? 20 million to craft? 5 million to unsocket? Shall we find out how much it actually costs to make one? (considering you had all the Flawless Squares and Tomes of Secrets)
Edited in: The cost is quite insane in my opinion, I play hardcore, and haven't died in months but yet I may never be able to justify 'MAKING' a gem that costs as much as it does without the option of selling it. Even for the DPS boost its not viable, the only honest choice is making other characters to use the loot I've found. Characters that hit higher dps easier...
Edited in: I'm hoping I don't have to go over the 5mill unsocket fee? honestly at this level IF it is bind on account it should be free to unsocket... I am all for consequence's switching skills, but now gear? It's a bit severe IMO
Gems Needed X Cost = Total
Flawless Square Gem - 2187
Perfect Square Gem - 729 x 30000 = 21.87mill
Radiant Square Gem - 243 x 50000 = 12.15mill
Star Gem - 81 x 80000 = 6.48mill
Flawless Star Gem - 27 x 100000 = 2.7mill
Perfect Star Gem - 9 x 200000 = 1.8mill
Radiant Star Gem - 3 x 400000 = 1.2mill
Marquise Gem - 1 x 20000000 = 20m
Combined Total = = 66200000 aka 66.2mill
(At this price I would'nt sell for less then 120mill)
Lets note this doesn't include the cost of tomes of tomes of secrets
Consider the amount of time it would take to farm 2187 Flawless Squares of the same type.
I'm at about 1000 of each type on my Hardcore stash after 350+ hours, so probably 270 hours at 60. This I don't mind time wise as its just another thing to build up too,
Amount of time you spend clicking to make one 'Marquise'.
729 + 243 + 81 + 27+ 9 + 3 + 1= 1093 clicks... And the 2.5 - 3 seconds we wait every time. Even at a 2.5 seconds per craft, thats 2732.5 seconds or 45 minutes and 32.5 seconds(if your on the ball) ... At 3 seconds per craft your at almost a hour of clicking the same button... (because of the time put in that 120mill is now 140-150m)
AND ALL to make a Gem you can't sell because it's 'Bind on Account'? I'm sorry but this is not well thought out. Maybe some things should be bind on account. But something your putting this much time and effort into... Hell no.
*Also you guys are suppose to be making this game with Hardcore in mind. How is any of this relevant to a hardcore players needs? Why would we ever make one? I wouldn't doubt the average gold on HC is below 15mill a person.
Do not make them bind on account
Get Rid of Crafting Timers OR Make it so we can queue crafting items are our set amount
Add level requirements (make it so people can't take a Marquise or Star gem, put it into a low level item, and then use that item(be fair though the current dps boost flawless squares give is quite fair for norm I'd say)
Buff other rubies( Lowest to highest @ min/max ratio 2-4, 4-8, 6-18, 8-32, 10-50, 12-72, 14-98, 16-128, 18-162, 20-200, 22-242, 24-288, 26-338, 28-392, 30-500)
Even with these very wide +min/max values it would increase the Marquise gems dps a tiny bit.
Current Marquise buff is +150-300 from what I have heard so 450\2 is only a (225x(MainStatDps%))xAttack Speed.
My version is (265x(MainStatDps%))xAttack Speed Increase.
No level requirements neccessary for the 1st 3 gems and about a lvl 15 requirement on Flawless Gem.
The 5 mill socket price wouldn't be as bad if you could sell them. But I still think anything over 1mill is crazy
Yes you would have to remove gems from some of your leveling gear
But the overall result I feel would greatly benefit anyone and everyone
Edited by Veracruz#1867 on 1/21/2013 7:53 PM PST
I don't get what the big problem with the price is. I've seen so many posts complaining about it. But usually the person making the accusation couldn't even get cost effective usage out of Radiant Star Gems. So the Marquise Gem does not change anything about the top level gem being financially inefficient.
Look at it this way:
Radiant Stars are efficient when your next gear upgrade gives costs ~5 million per stat point added. You need extraordinarily good gear before that is the case. Marquise just moves that point to ~30 million per stat point before they become efficient upgrades. Yea, it's more expensive but it's not like one of those is unattainable and the other is attainable. It's just further down the line. A line which the vast majority of players were not at the end of. But some were.
Besides, what's really the downside of having a gold sink in the game that is completely optional? Don't like the price of Marquise gems? Easy-- don't use them. It doesn't hurt you at all.
it shouldnt be aacount bound and 5mils unsocket is not ok
new ruby sucks and they didnt buff the star tier(HUGE desapoinment)
crafting is ok i guess buttttttttttttttt shoulnt be account bound
the rumor is that they dont want item be duped....(false or not?)
but it is true that dupping is on
this game is going nowhere......
all true fan players that are real friend in life are pretty bored
they dont play the game anymore patch is a huge desapointement again
some of them are just loging to flip stuff making cash for maybe release of expension and the game will be better
but just take a look at game out there that are there or will come..
Sorry I forgot one major point, I sort've hinted at it, but that is the fact that it is bind on account. Pretty much makes it a pointless purchase for any hardcore character if you can't sell it, sure a nice dps buff, but its at a minimum cost of 66.2 million... I think it would be fine if it wasn't bind on account.
Imma edit above to make sure ppl understand
I am more surprised they made the ruby version almost 10x better then the radiant one in a weapon... This I think is dumb, just when I thought there be some kind of gem to put in a wep other then emerald I was wrong because no way will I ever make such a wast of gold gem all for what to increase dmg for a specific build that emerald is not perfect for? Emerald needs more competition at lower gem lvls.
Yeah I am quite surprised that all rubies aren't getting rerolled. I realize it would mean a decent ammount of down time for the server but it seems it need be done. I do think Gems should have level req's, and that Topaz's should also be rerolled, I have neer seen a topaz in a weapon. ever, sure I've heard of it for a thorns build, but frankly thats some SC bs anyways.
Topaz should be rerolled into something useful, perhaps AIS. Perhaps +attacks per second. Or perhaps its time to add a few new things into the pool.
Thorns build (even max rolled on every item) currently can't be viable, when kill speed is the king. You can't just stand and wait for slowmode mobs to actually come to you, do their slooow hits and then eventually die.
They said they are gonna buff thorns, make it scale with primary or something, but I don't think it's gonna happen in 1.0.7.
I can't wait to see the next tier !
50M + 3 marquise and 10M to unsocket ! :D
Annnnnnnnnnnd... BoA too.
I agree with your solution.
But no level requirements on gems.
Edited by Nyme#2953 on 1/25/2013 12:09 AM PST
If it lets the craft become better without unbalancing loot and AH, I take the BoA.
I agree with you. Once you craft a marquise and put in your stuff, she will remain in it. Marquises are not for progression stuff but for very end game stuff. The repair price can be a limiting factor.
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