Don't forget either, that since the STI nerf its actually become more used than OWE. Although if they nerf OWE I doubt the same will happen.
Thats why I like their second idea on changing it the most, since it will make the passive still useful, but not as required as people feel it is now.
02/11/2013 12:13 PMPosted by ViolentineSTI needs a buff, should be 75% instead of 50
Well, I still hate the fact that we do not have any really good offensive passive. Guiding Light is useful for ubers though.
And I can't understand why they've made Guardian's path only useful with 2-handers.
Also, not sure bout you guys but Im only using the spirit/sec to fuel TR.
Personally, I agree with Wyatt in almost every respect.
I believe his main point is that with the prevalence of OWE, it is extremely hard to tell what is and what is not functioning correctly.
Does this mean I run around with those two passives 24/7? Of course not. The point is that, since dropping OWE, I have found that many of our previously "meh" passives can be quite useful ... but ONLY when OWE isn't an option.
tl;dr - I do not think that Wyatt was saying all monk passives are equal and without need of change. I think he was saying that monks passives currently allow them to have similar power-levels to other class' passives and so the major focus should not be on fixing the passives and should be on seeing what happens when people feel like they actually have options.
As an aside, I truly believe that if every monk had 1 more passive, you would start to see a LOT more use from every other passive. The problem is that STI, unless hyper-nerfed, is 100000x better than any other passive (main-stat bonuses tend to work like this) and OWE is the best mitigation passive in the game. This leaves 1 choice and that simply isn't enough.
-Druin, the happy monk
I respectfully completely disagree with you.
The problem isn't that OwE is too good. The problem is that everything else is too "meh."
Monks have 2 great options right now with passives, and then they have a pu-pu platter of poor choices. The solution should not be to reduce the amount of great options to 1, thereby allowing people to select another "meh" option from the pu-pu platter of poor choices. The solution should be to increase the amount of great options so that it is worth gearing out of OwE.
Edit: Just realized that you are basically making this argument:
Blizzard should nerf FoT/TC so they can figure out what needs to be done with the other spirit generators.
Generally, I'm happier with our passives than most others. At this point, I don't see any of them as strictly necessary, and I don't feel like any of them are useless. In terms of viability, I really can't ask too much more than that.
I don't even see that big an issue with OWE. It makes gearing Monks uniquely different from other classes, so that's something. I do like the idea of letting specific resists roll much higher on gear (as a single affix slot) than AR but AR can't be on the gear. It actually makes OWE more viable for high DPS Monks, which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing.
My biggest complaint is really the lack of more passives that alter my play style or gearing choices. I don't want something that just adds +X to damage or to CC or IAS or something. I'd like something that said "Strength now boosts damage, but not armor". Or I'd like "Strength is now 3x as effective for armor" instead of STI. It's not like i'm not going to stack Dex.
I don't really want a Weapon Master or Ruthless type skill for Monks. I want a Critical Mass type passive that changes the way I play (not necessarily that exact passive, but something that makes me change how I play).
So the big issue I see with Monk passives s blandness, to be honest.
Go look at the other classes passives for perspective. They need A LOT more help.
Yea, you're right. Barbs are really hurting for passives. As are Witch Doctors - man, they don't have any good passives.
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