Diablo® III

Quit QQing - the AH is no different from D2 trading

02/18/2013 12:22 PMPosted by Gigabyte


So you prefer Craigslist to Ebay - that's fine, but the market dictates the price and always has.


allow players to post an ISO and the amount they are willing to pay, and watch how much the market changes

i am not sure many on here understand the difference between a AH and a trade forum


Please tell me how i can get an "instant" sale using a trade forum? I don't want to have to join a game with "you" and then count all the 0's in that 10m+ sale to make sure you're trying trying to short change me! I don't want to add you to my "friends list" just to sell my item. I certainly do not want to give you my in game id number to sell an item....

The ability to post the amount you are willing to pay for an item is already there. There's this funny thing called "bid" on items which do not have buyout's set......
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02/18/2013 12:44 PMPosted by Otis


Care to elaborate, Otis?


It's a rip off emporium set up to cater to botters, flippers and vendors out to jack up prices as high as possible to rip off any and all comers for as much gold (real $) as possible.

Trading involves a relationship between two entities looking to help each other out by mutually accepting a fair exchange.

The AH is a degenerate's wet dream.


Did you know that there was a black market in D2? It was online and not controlled by Blizzard. This market was fueled by duping and botters.

Flippers also existed... and you assume that no one who traded ever offered a bad trade or scammed some noob into a bad deal. This isn't a hippie commune, bro.
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OP I fully agree with your post.

I simply do not understand where this hatred towards AH comes from. Actually come to think of it it's because RMAH was integrated into the game that's got some many people's knickers in a twist.

I think what a lot of people wanted was to use highly dubious 3rd party sites and watch their creditcards get cleaned out by these 3rd party sites whilst trying to buy a D3 item

As you have mentioned a bit like in D2.....
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It's a rip off emporium set up to cater to botters, flippers and vendors out to jack up prices as high as possible to rip off any and all comers for as much gold (real $) as possible.

Trading involves a relationship between two entities looking to help each other out by mutually accepting a fair exchange.

The AH is a degenerate's wet dream.


Did you know that there was a black market in D2? It was online and not controlled by Blizzard. This market was fueled by duping and botters.

Flippers also existed... and you assume that no one who traded ever offered a bad trade or scammed some noob into a bad deal. This isn't a hippie commune, bro.


Of course I am and was aware of it. And only a small minority of the playing population used any of that crap.

By building the AH directly into D3 as the primary 'feature' of the game, Blizzard turned the entire population of Diablo players into scamming, greedy hogs.

Convenience created the greedy atmosphere.

If it were inconvenient as it was in previous titles by not being integrated in the game, D3 would have had a chance to become a decent rpg over time.
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allow players to post a price they are willing to pay and watch how many undercut each other
real life business has always been that way
and yes in real life i am a purchasing agent


The more I read this, the less sense it makes to me.

Sellers undercut the AH all the time. Shoot, I do it - if we want something sold fast, we undercut each other instead of setting what we think is a fair price and riding out the volatility in the market until it sells.

People can already bid on items if they want to - and only go as high as they're willing to go, or be driven higher by other buyers.

Sounds like you prefer Priceline to Ebay... and that's fine, but this reverse bidding business doesn't seem necessary or practical... and it's kind of a diversion from the topic itself.


i enjoy both Priceline and Ebay
this game should have both formats
my biggest complaint though is without person-to-person trading it takes yet another social aspect out of this game
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Gigabyte: Read my previous post. I as a diablo 3 gamer do not wish to socialise with you when trying to buy/sell an item!

Or is your definition of socialising when trying to trade is going on trade channel and spamming "WTB x" or "WTS y" being spammed endlessly. Of course D2 trade channel was never flooded with that kind of stuff was it!
Edited by QED#2412 on 2/18/2013 1:07 PM PST
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02/18/2013 01:01 PMPosted by whoopadeedoo
Deaded, stop engaging Otis. It'll only encourage him to post more of his drivel.


Why are you so fearful of truth and honesty? Clean your heart, sir. Allow the light into your soul.
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02/18/2013 01:04 PMPosted by mikeab7925
morons. it's not the AH that ruined it. it's the RMAH/Greed. instead of a small fraction of people playing for profits, now everyone thinks they have to, since there is a real money value on gold and items. trading is fine and was a part of d2 but the greed that real money brings wasn't as bad. flippers buying out stuff at prices things should be and marking them up doesn't help when it's just giving the profits to botters. botters farm for more gold for profit. gold drops to bottom limit and your economy tanks. did that happen in d2? how about your drops? were they based on the existence of a large economy driven AH in d2?


You've got it, man.

However, the fact that currencies are exchangeable back & forth between the RMAH & the GAH, make them essentially the same entity.
Edited by Otis#1467 on 2/18/2013 1:14 PM PST
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Convenience created the greedy atmosphere.

If it were inconvenient as it was in previous titles by not being integrated in the game, D3 would have had a chance to become a decent rpg over time.


GUH I have to feed the trolls, I can't help it.

We could have an entire sociological conversation about whether or not people are inherently greedy, but let's not.

Otis, your logic here is... terrifying. What you basically just said was that:

If trading were worse, the game would be better. /Mind blown
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Convenience created the greedy atmosphere.

If it were inconvenient as it was in previous titles by not being integrated in the game, D3 would have had a chance to become a decent rpg over time.


GUH I have to feed the trolls, I can't help it.

We could have an entire sociological conversation about whether or not people are inherently greedy, but let's not.

Otis, your logic here is... terrifying. What you basically just said was that:

If trading were worse, the game would be better. /Mind blown


No. What I'm saying is if trading were DIFFERENT the game would have a chance to be better.

Either way, it matters not. This game was designed from the ground up as a way to monetize feeding upon the greed in people's hearts.

They were hoping to turn the entire playing public into their greedy drone AH employees, and were successful in their hopes. The sheep herded and the damage is done.
Edited by Otis#1467 on 2/18/2013 1:24 PM PST
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Gigabyte: Read my previous post. I as a diablo 3 gamer do not wish to socialise with you when trying to buy/sell an item!

Or is your definition of socialising when trying to trade is going on trade channel and spamming "WTB x" or "WTS y" being spammed endlessly. Of course D2 trade channel was never flooded with that kind of stuff was it!


to each his own
i do like to negotiate price, and you like to buy off of the shelf, neither is wrong
if this game was as social as d2, then my complaints would be much less
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botters farm for more gold for profit. gold drops to bottom limit and your economy tanks. did that happen in d2? how about your drops? were they based on the existence of a large economy driven AH in d2?


Uh, your large block of text hurts my eyes, but I think the answer is YES - this happened in D2.

Why do you think the economy rebooted using different items as currency through time? Botters and dupers knew what was what and would key in on a particular thing, flood the market, tank the economy, and then we'd all move on.

I seem to remember a point where some items could cost like.. a stash full of perfect gems - that's a LOT of gems, man.
Edited by Deaded#1753 on 2/18/2013 1:39 PM PST
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This is directed at the OP.

You're wrong on so many levels. Just before the release of Diablo 3, I went back and played D2 which I had not played since 2004(leveled a hardcore barb to 83). D2 Item hunt is far more enjoyable experience than the AH simulator blizzard has provided us in D3. Every single one of my friends agree on this. One of my hardcore gamer friends never played D2, after D3's released he played D2. He believes D2 is the superior game.

The only people who defend D3 and Blizzard NEED THIS GAME TO BE AMAZING cause if it's not amazing their life is even more pointless than before.

There is nothing impressive about D3, it's average at best. To me it was a 4.5 out of 10 before the patches now at best it's a 6 out of 10. It could have been should have been a 9 out of 10, however, Blizzard had the wrong idea from the get go and only cared about money on this development.

D3 is hands down Blizzard worst game ever created, it's not even debatable.


Cool story, bro. No offense, but I didn't ask you to review the game, and I doubt anyone really cares what you rate it.

Don't you love when people do that? Say "no offense", and then say something offensive.
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