Diablo® III

Quit QQing - the AH is no different from D2 trading

02/18/2013 01:21 PMPosted by Deaded
botters farm for more gold for profit. gold drops to bottom limit and your economy tanks. did that happen in d2? how about your drops? were they based on the existence of a large economy driven AH in d2?


Uh, your large block of text hurts my eyes, but I think the answer is YES - this happened in D2.

Why do you think the economy rebooted using different items as currency through time? Botters and dupers knew what was what and would key in on a particular thing, flood the market, tank the economy, and then we'd all move on.

I seem to remember a point where some items could cost like.. a stash full of perfect gems - that's a LOT of gems, man.


Wait a minute! The thing you're quoting WAS NOT typed by me. Edit this mistake please.
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02/18/2013 01:21 PMPosted by whoopadeedoo
Otis thinks that D3 itemization and content are terrible, and the way to fix D3 is by getting rid of the AH. He is the king of non sequitur.


It would allow the fixes to begin. The things that you & I agree are broken.

Any and all alterations need to jive with the AH before being done. If it weren't there, the sky would be the limit.

The AH stifles gaming.
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Gigabyte: Read my previous post. I as a diablo 3 gamer do not wish to socialise with you when trying to buy/sell an item!

Or is your definition of socialising when trying to trade is going on trade channel and spamming "WTB x" or "WTS y" being spammed endlessly. Of course D2 trade channel was never flooded with that kind of stuff was it!


to each his own
i do like to negotiate price, and you like to buy off of the shelf, neither is wrong
if this game was as social as d2, then my complaints would be much less


If you're saying you'd like to add an extra feature into the existing AH to try and msg the seller then great i'm with you on that.

I do NOT want to go back to D2 days of joining 100's of different trade games to try and buy/sell items because that was more painful than watching paint dry! Not to mention to increased server load of having those numerous "games" running just to trade items.

Ultimately though this thread is about trading. Socialising within this game and Starcraft 2 is incredibly bad compared to their predessors and is an entirely different arguement from the original point of this thread.
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However, the fact that currencies are exchangeable back & forth between the RMAH & the GAH, make them essentially the same entity.

not really. the GAH isn't that bad of a ideal as it promotes a healthier system of trade for the player wishing to do that. the RMAH's sole purpose is profit. the GAH's existence alone would be fine without the RMAH. check out the HC AH. yes there is the existence of a black side to it but most don't use it.


Not really? If I want more gold to buy on the GAH, I go to the RMAH and buy it with cash. If I wish to cash out my in game gold, I go to the RMAH and turn it into real $.

At this point, there'd be no way for Blizzard to have one without the other. It's ingrained.
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not really. the GAH isn't that bad of a ideal as it promotes a healthier system of trade for the player wishing to do that. the RMAH's sole purpose is profit. the GAH's existence alone would be fine without the RMAH. check out the HC AH. yes there is the existence of a black side to it but most don't use it.


Not really? If I want more gold to buy on the GAH, I go to the RMAH and buy it with cash. If I wish to cash out my in game gold, I go to the RMAH and turn it into real $.

At this point, there'd be no way for Blizzard to have one without the other. It's ingrained.


So Otis how do we buy Hardcore Gold from RMAH? Is there an option I haven't ticked to enable this feature?
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Not really? If I want more gold to buy on the GAH, I go to the RMAH and buy it with cash. If I wish to cash out my in game gold, I go to the RMAH and turn it into real $.

At this point, there'd be no way for Blizzard to have one without the other. It's ingrained.


So Otis how do we buy Hardcore Gold from RMAH? Is there an option I haven't ticked to enable this feature?


Wasn't discussing HC at all, sir. HC seems pretty stable as I see it.

Also, the reason HC isn't as plagued with greed and dishonest practices, is due to the inconvenience mostly. There is no way to profit off of it without going through hoops. Don't think the HC side is overrun with bots & flippers, right?

That's the point i'm making in regards to the dirty SC side of things.
Edited by Otis#1467 on 2/18/2013 1:40 PM PST
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02/18/2013 01:34 PMPosted by mikeab7925
so it seems you were on the black market side of trade then. i would assume you'd be on it now. i'd like to thank you directly for kill diablo


All your base are belong to us, Mike!

... I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, but hey, you're welcome.
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Otis: Yes you were. Read what you were replying to then.

I even bolded the part where he specifically mentioned how the concept of GAH works. For me i have no problem with the existance of RMAH, that being said you did make me laugh with how to say AH stifles gaming :)

However, the fact that currencies are exchangeable back & forth between the RMAH & the GAH, make them essentially the same entity.

not really. the GAH isn't that bad of a ideal as it promotes a healthier system of trade for the player wishing to do that. the RMAH's sole purpose is profit. the GAH's existence alone would be fine without the RMAH. check out the HC AH. yes there is the existence of a black side to it but most don't use it.
Edited by QED#2412 on 2/18/2013 1:43 PM PST
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Not really? If I want more gold to buy on the GAH, I go to the RMAH and buy it with cash. If I wish to cash out my in game gold, I go to the RMAH and turn it into real $.

At this point, there'd be no way for Blizzard to have one without the other. It's ingrained.

i agree with the second part of your statement.
if i want more gold to buy on the GAH or sell in the RMAH i can farm for it. so by your logic, farming is pretty much the same as trading.


Sort of, yes.
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Farming... is... trading? Your reasoning skills are on par with one of the world's great minds:

"Einhorn is Finkel, Finkel... is Einhorn! ... EINHORN IS A MAN!" - Ace Ventura: Pet Detective
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Otis: Yes you were. Read what you were replying to then.

I even bolded the part where he specifically mentioned how the concept of GAH works. For me i have no problem with the existance of RMAH, that being said you did make me laugh with how to say AH stifles gaming :)


not really. the GAH isn't that bad of a ideal as it promotes a healthier system of trade for the player wishing to do that. the RMAH's sole purpose is profit. the GAH's existence alone would be fine without the RMAH. check out the HC AH. yes there is the existence of a black side to it but most don't use it.


I see now. I was mostly replying to the first part. My mistake.

I agree that the HC side isn't in the same state. That should be proof enough that the SC side needs to be treated similarly.

A less convenient setting for players to become corrupt is a good thing. I fear it's too late though :(
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Farming... is... trading? Your reasoning skills are on par with one of the world's great minds:

"Einhorn is Finkel, Finkel... is Einhorn! ... EINHORN IS A MAN!" - Ace Ventura: Pet Detective


Farming is more akin to trading than using the AH is. (You're trading time for items)
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I guess I'm the only one that feels we have the ah because it mitigates the loss of trade games we had in D2.
Then the rmah because it curtails the 3rd party item sellers.

Both of these were problems that were abused in D2.


And are still being abused in D3. Nothing has changed. Only difference is that having the AH in game has created more of them (botters, dupers, flippers) than there were previously.
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Farming... is... trading? Your reasoning skills are on par with one of the world's great minds:

"Einhorn is Finkel, Finkel... is Einhorn! ... EINHORN IS A MAN!" - Ace Ventura: Pet Detective


Farming is more akin to trading than using the AH is. (You're trading time for items)


You somehow brought this back on topic (I didn't think that was possible), but you are incredibly, shockingly, mouthwateringly, butterfingery wrong.

Yes, farming takes time, but time is not something you can trade. Part of me wants to ask how you came to this conclusion... the other part wants you to stop before you hurt yourself.
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