Diablo® III

BOA: Goodbye economy

You mean the people who are actually actively playing this game, finding items, trading them spending their efford to keep the game going. Yes lets laugh at them and slap them in the face with BOA items. Sure.

BOA killed the economy on all the slots you can craft them for.


No I mean the people who play the AH purely for personal profit.

Keep the game going? They are parasites who contribute nothing.
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Soon enough people wearing BOA/non leg items will be trolled hardcore and called noobs by all the RMAH elitists. The epeen factor will come back into play, and people will start using self found/ bought items again.
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My old bracers buy 150m , now sold 50m. My craft bracers have more 7k dps than old
My old amulet buy 300m , now sold 160m.My craft amulet less 2k5 dps than old
i must sell because i know it will be more worthless and i hope i will crart a better item in future

Now amulet and,bracers i don't pick up because it is worthless ( only amulet have chance but 99.999% can not better than my amulet when indentified so worthless if use or sell).Before chest armor and shouder are same, don't pick up
Now only glove is difficult to craft nice stat

Inspite of craft item can not be sold but it is easy to make a nice item than more item on AH so nobody buy item on AH.They will try craft..

I am very dissapoint beacase my item reduce the price but i can not do anything..and i dont know what item will be worthless in future? Ring or Weapon ??
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The problem is that BOA items are BETTER than what you can find and are easier to craft than to actually find. Both should be equal at least to be fair to everyone.

Blizz is just trying to keep 'I don't have much time so I whine because I never get a good drop' people.


To be fair, I'm entirely fine with crafting giving a boost in item quality. In the past 15K elite kills on my dh the best drop was a 6m rare ring. That !@#$ gets old really fast, didn't play 10 hours combined since december. The new recipes will at least keep me occupied for a fair amount of time before it's back to the same old unrewarding routine.

Also, with that amu you should just thank your lucky stars for the new system :) I've used a bit more than 200 essences since the patch hit, in a 1 shoulders/1 gloves/2 amus ratio. I only need to hit 3 affixes to get something that's guaranteed to be better than my current one and still didn't get even close :( The old amu was a catch for 320 a very long time ago, not being able to sell it for even 60 doesn't bother me as long as I get an upgrade from crafting before the heat death of the universe.
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Also you haven't really proved that items are devaluing a new patch just game out and people are probably selling items at different prices then they normally would. Once the prices stabilize and people realize how much it costs to craft a tri/quad amy they will probably return to the normal price or near it. Just like gems right now are going for 10x what they normally would that probably won't last forever either.
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02/18/2013 05:15 AMPosted by Draba
Also, with that amu you should just thank your lucky stars for the new system :)


I complain because I also spend a lot on other amu's... the one on my profile right now is crafted yes, but I also have a 258dex 172vit 8.5cc 58cd 398life regen, 117dex 200vit 16%life 50allres 8.5cc 45cd, 47avedmg 172dex 117vit 118int 8.5cc 60cd, few others...

I invested time and efford into getting gold -> search AH for amulets -> hoping price was OK -> buying them for later use in specific builds/setups (I have multiple pieces of gear all for different purposes (PVE or PVP)).

It saddens me because all that efford went into nowhere (well not exactly because i still have those items) now that crafted can create better with higher chance of success for a lower price...
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02/18/2013 05:31 AMPosted by Calamity
Also you haven't really proved that items are devaluing a new patch just game out and people are probably selling items at different prices then they normally would. Once the prices stabilize and people realize how much it costs to craft a tri/quad amy they will probably return to the normal price or near it. Just like gems right now are going for 10x what they normally would that probably won't last forever either.


He was right, craftable items will probably become close to worthless. Crafting with the guaranteed 200+ mainstat and 5 other affixes is very good for the cost( and bis for many characters ).

I complain because I also spend a lot on other amu's... the one on my profile right now is crafted yes, but I also have a 258dex 172vit 8.5cc 58cd 398life regen, 117dex 200vit 16%life 50allres 8.5cc 45cd, 47avedmg 172dex 117vit 118int 8.5cc 60cd, few others...

I invested time and efford into getting gold -> search AH for amulets -> hoping price was OK -> buying them for later use in specific builds/setups (I have multiple pieces of gear all for different purposes (PVE or PVP)).

It saddens me because all that efford went into nowhere (well not exactly because i still have those items) now that crafted can create better with higher chance of success for a lower price...


Yep, that's certainly annoying. But as Maoxx said above, not a surprise given the nature of the game. The only question was how long does it take to make them obsolete.
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Considering your average ingame efforts for gathering gold can't really get you up to those 500mill some people list their stuff for unless you're monumentally lucky, i'd say boa items are a good option for those of us not willing to get ripped off by AH tycooners, specially if you choose to not flip2win. I didn't buy this game to play the auction house, anyways. You're just angry because you no longer get to easily rip off people with overpriced stuff.

It is funny though, that you defend trading and try to bash the AH. What's wrong with this game isn't the AH, it's loot revolving around it. As a trading system, it's a phenomenal evolution from the archaic bartering system D2 had. You're essentially doing the same thing, trading for stuff. If you actually hated the AH so much, you wouldn't be crying about how BOA supposedly stuff killed the economy in the first place, so i'm afraid your argument lacks consistency.
Edited by Blashyrkh#1824 on 2/18/2013 6:12 AM PST
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02/18/2013 05:47 AMPosted by prod
Also, with that amu you should just thank your lucky stars for the new system :)


I complain because I also spend a lot on other amu's... the one on my profile right now is crafted yes, but I also have a 258dex 172vit 8.5cc 58cd 398life regen, 117dex 200vit 16%life 50allres 8.5cc 45cd, 47avedmg 172dex 117vit 118int 8.5cc 60cd, few others...

I invested time and efford into getting gold -> search AH for amulets -> hoping price was OK -> buying them for later use in specific builds/setups (I have multiple pieces of gear all for different purposes (PVE or PVP)).

It saddens me because all that efford went into nowhere (well not exactly because i still have those items) now that crafted can create better with higher chance of success for a lower price...


While I can understand how you can be rightfully upset about your amulet collection losing value - I think you're wrong in blaming BOA. What would happen if the items weren't BOA? Your amulet collection STILL loses value, because the AH would get flooded with all these crafted amulets and you'd get undercut everywhere trying to sell any (I know my 1.04 trifecta ring lost a lot of value when better ones came out in 1.05 with ilvl63 rolls, but the moment I found one with 5.5 cc I was so happy I couldn't give a stuff how much value my old ring lost, why let it bother you?)

If anything, BoA actually retains the value of your ammy's for longer than otherwise, since the AH can't get quickly flooded by them, and they still require a lot of effort (or luck!!) to roll a good one. Chances are, in a few weeks time, there may be some number of people with awesome amulets who no longer bother to pick up amulets, but many who haven't had much luck with RNG and will just give up and buy one.

Besides, there are 9-10 other slots where there will still be plenty of demand for BiS on the AH (some even more so - look at the prices of 30% elite SoJ's, they're on a crazy high at the moment - and don't you guys go flipping SoJ's, I'm trying to buy one to actually USE here...) ;p
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I have to laugh at this. What patch didnt make items worthless? All my stuff is grinned. Fond and sold and I lost like 400m when decent legs came had a 200m rare chest worth like 10m overnight. Then another patch gave like 6CC and 50 CD rings. Made my ammys and rings worthless lost like another 400m. This patchy same thing. Have three trifecta ammys in box. 120m gold taskers and theos in box. Bracers I have on were 100m now prolly cant' even get 10. Oh well I'm used to it.
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BIS can now be crafted.

Following items not worth picking;

Armors
Bracers
Amulets
Gloves

Thank you Blizzard for making my 1.3 bil gold collection in good amulets worthless overnight. Great amu's can now be bought sub 10 mil on AH. Thank god it did not cost 100's of hours playing - that would be a shame.

I wish you many nice things :P !

BOA was a good idea.

/sarcasm off

Sub 10 mil?

Wow they are finally at a reasonable price?
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Lets all point and laugh at all the people that were hoarding items.

How many flippers had huge stashes of items they bought up trying to control a market and are now dropping rapidly in value?

A lot.

/haha


Please let me help you laugh, HAHAHAhaHHAAH

ppl who wine about economy are flippers who support making a fun game into a stock exchange.

Efff Yooooo!

AH RMAH shud be removed completely in next patch. IMHO

at least there would be more socialism.
Edited by Timception#6905 on 2/18/2013 6:21 AM PST
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People cry and cry for Blizz to make crafting viable. They make crafting viable and people still complain.
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As soon as a new set of gear comes out the BoA gear will be replaced with something newer and shinier making the money you spent on BoA worthless. That's just how a game with patches/expansions work. You are constantly going to have to chase that new BIS item that came out; the same item that just made your BIS worthless. That's a bit exaggerated, but if you fret about the monetary value of your items all the time, you're never going to be happy with a game like this.

Another game that comes to mind is MapleStory. Almost every patch that came out in that game invalidated the old equipment. The only difference is that it would cost you hundreds of RL money just to keep up with the curve. At least with BoA items that are out now you don't have to sink hundreds of dollars to get an item that is as good as current BIS items. Is this new system perfect? Hell no. Is it better than what we had before, hoping that you'd find a BIS item to sell so that you can get a few minor upgrades to your equipment? That part is very much debatable, but at least it gives you a choice (even if it is an illusion of one).

Just take a step back and remember that this is a game before it is an economy lesson. I realize that it is painful to see your items that you spend so much time farming (or so much money buying) get replaced over time, but that was an investment you chose to make on your own.

I never played D2, but I can probably take an educated guess that new equipment came out over time that invalidated the old. You may flame me if I'm wrong about that.
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This thread entertains me.

Hoarding items? Are you DAFT. Every single day every single item in this game drops in price just a little bit (figuratively) due to demand decreases (people already having a good item or buying what they want). When I stopped playing for 2~ months (IRL reasons, nothing to do with the game) I sold off the majority of my gear/stash/gold for cash because I knew by the time I started playing again it would be worth 1/10th of its current price.

I suppose the only exception to that are gems provided that you stocked up when they were 3m per Rad Star and the top 1% of weapons.

Seriously though, all of the good flippers know not to hoard items and sell when the price is right. I highly doubt OPs 'hoard' of amulets was worth 1.3b.

killed your precious economy anyhow with your ridiculous profiteering through flipping and botting.


The effects of botting on the market =/= effects of flipping on the market. In some regard flipping prevents huge undercutting of goods. You ever see someone sell a 1400dps /300str / 190cd/ 5.5ls Skorn for 50m? I have. Then I bought it and sold it for waaaaaaaaaay more than that.

Whenever someone undercuts, there will always be someone that is willing to purchase that product and sell it for fair market value (i.e what someone else is willing to pay). Botting literally floods the market with [Insert Commodity / Gold] and severely devalues gold.
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All that's changed is the relative meaning of the word "good value". There are still Leg and Set items that have properties you can not craft, and that are needed for some builds, particularly items with Attack Speed on them (chest armor and bracers) and set bonuses you can't get from those new recipes.

The economy isn't dead, any more than the game is dead, though patch after patch people keep proclaiming it to be so.
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