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It occurred to me with the new apoc changes that other builds besides cm/ww could see an advantage. I did a bit of testing and UberDeath also gained a nice boost. With only one 10 APoC source and one -5 arcane torrent item, you can almost continually stream arcane torrent, which you definitely could not do in 1.0.6. For me, that meant I could use my non-apoc Triumverate and go to town.
Tried it on a few bosses.
Ghom: 18 sec.
Azmo: 21 sec.
Belial: 58 sec.
To put that in perspective, Frostburn's Belial kill time was around 1 min 58 sec (with cm/ww) and my previous recorded kill time on him was around 1 min 23 sec (with cm/ww).
Edited by kiza#1883 on 7/16/2013 10:21 AM PDT
Try the build I came up with- it works with 10 APOC now too and I am using a Tri now as well. It's in my profile now. It's something for Archon people to run in groups and/or or high MPs and CMs can use it just the same.
I believe it was Shaggy who said that our main resource now is the attack turn.
10 apoc is trash doom. Massive slow down in power farming where you wormhole pack to pack dragging whites along and make barbs look slow. That said it's doable. I solo mp10 ubers this morning with it. They didnt move.
Edited by Aimless#1700 on 3/4/2013 7:12 AM PST
Well, this doesn't mean that we should sell our apoc force. It just means we have more options now. We can pick up black weapon like Rangrok or Yems and wear mempo and still get apoc from force or sc. .
or we can use Chanto will and wear mempo with triv or none-apoc foce
or we can wear SC and use black weapon and triv or none-apoc force.
Basically, we don't have to look all the same with same cookie cutter Chantodo will and force which were automatic previously.
and if still want to enjoy having luxury 20 apoc (Boozor) for smooth run, then that's also an option.
In the end, let's all try to look different now in 1.07. Ultimately, your dps will increase with having to look for only 10 apoc.
Edited by yodatoy#1838 on 3/4/2013 7:15 AM PST
Yoda - We use will for ias and dps and apoc. A dagger that can compete with any of your wills there is like 12. Must be black must be ~1000 dps must have huge CD must have OS must have large IAS. The real option that opened up is what Kiza is already doing double int force and mempo. The most DPS setup you can get. SC + double int Force were equal to Mempo and apoc force not anymore.
I would like to see a recording of a <25 sec Ghom kill MP10 =)
Not that I don't believe you, I just want to see what kinda gear it takes and what exact spec you're running
I'll hold on to my Chant's set for now. I dropped to 18 APoC from 20, but I can't see myself go any lower. I do have a 294 avg. Chant's Force anyway, so I would still have to pay a lot to get another 100int/vit with same avg..
I switched to a Triumvirate that gives me more DPS and EHP than the Tal's or Oculus I had before, I don't use Teleport.
Frost Hydra lasts almost 3x standard Blizzard duration and costs 5 AP less than Snowbound. No point in squandering AP or attack turns on Blizzard when I can 5-stack LL, drop Frost Hydra, then 5 stack LL and hit Disintegrate.
Edited by DoctorDoom#1357 on 3/4/2013 9:20 AM PST
Seriously, Kiza, how do you do it?
After GC + Buffed up, I'm at:
2.74 aps / 58% CC / 18 APoC
I can't even tank the Ghom's gasses, lol.. Using this build:
Spamming DS as frequently as possible, and the gas stil gets to me.. Are you using a Lifesteal weapon? Do you have an SoJ and the extra damage makes Blood Magic viable? What is it :P?
Can't really use an SoJ because I have 2 set rings..
Edited by Niko#2983 on 3/8/2013 12:48 PM PST
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