Diablo® III

Minimum intellectual requirement before posting

A majority of posts in these forums make you wonder "are these people for real?" not only because of their non-sensical content, but also failing at basic grammar you'd expect from 3rd graders.

I know it's a gaming forum (and who cares about dumb things like punctuation right?), but is it so hard to learn the difference between "they're" "their" and "there", or to not use "rediculous" as an adjective describing D3?

It really makes them look stupid when they target game designers (all from reputed universities and make close to, if not more, $100K/year) and flame them for producing a game that apparently falls short of their "Expectations".

Free speech is one thing, but "destructive" free speech where rampant useless posts by trolls and misinformed folks distort and negatively influence the opinions of the passive community member who read the forums and get the wrong idea should be minimized. There are plenty of constructive criticisms of D3 (and these are usually the ones that get blue posts). We don't need more posts about the game designers' belly size or sexual preferences.
fyi: 100k is not a lot of money in orange county/ca (you know, where blizzard is) so lets leave the salaries out of this as they are insanely imbalanced across the country due to cost of living differences.
sry englsh my 5th and im not young how many "langviches" you speak?
hahahaaha
yer just wot is say is wunderbar OP :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84K55KmNJY
Edited by STING#2364 on 3/19/2013 11:48 AM PDT
All of the intelligence departed this game a long time ago.

those not as quick to see the sham this game is is all that remains.

now that the brain drain is over, all you have are the leftovers trying to RMAH crap loot to each other and crying on forum
03/19/2013 11:43 AMPosted by dac
fyi: 100k is not a lot of money in orange county/ca (you know, where blizzard is) so lets leave the salaries out of this as they are insanely imbalanced across the country due to cost of living differences.


100k is obviously an arbitrary number that stands for "way above the average". it could be $75k for someone living in portland, OR, or $150K for someone in SF.

just for some perspective:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Blizzard-Entertainment-Senior-Software-Engineer-II-Salaries-E24858_D_KO23,50.htm
03/19/2013 11:43 AMPosted by dac
fyi: 100k is not a lot of money in orange county/ca (you know, where blizzard is) so lets leave the salaries out of this as they are insanely imbalanced across the country due to cost of living differences.


Get real, please. I live in Los Angeles and frequent OC. 100k is a lot of money for most people. For white-collar professionals at the top of their industry, you are correct, it's not breaking any records. Most of the people I know outside of my field make 45-50k per year, with college degrees.

Your point would be slightly more legitimate if we were talking New York, where costs are even more staggering, but even there, your average person isn't pulling 100k a year.

To the OP - I couldn't agree with you more. The "it's just a gaming forum" is a lame excuse. To me, what this means is that you can refrain from speaking like you're giving a professional presentation. Contractions and informal language is allowed. So is internet slang. That doesn't mean you can bash your skull into the keyboard and expect people to take you seriously.

When I was younger, my father was quick to remind me that, whether it is ultimately right or wrong, people are judged on presentation. The way you speak, write, dress, and behave dictates how other people will perceive you. I try, with every fiber of my being, not to dismiss people with tats on 90% of their body and pierced lips who come into a professional office and expect to be taken seriously. I remind myself that in the most general sense, we are all human beings and entitled to a certain dignity.

Then I visit the online forums and my eyes are hammered by "LOL! Wtf evr scrub! These devs r rediculous! How can you be 10 years making a game and their still beta testing it. Whole team shuould be fired!!!"

For those who are not native speakers, my criticism does not apply. I commend anyone for attempting to learn another language and speak it. For native speakers, I can only shake my head. Of course, your opinions aren't totally invalid just because you communicate like a retarded chimpanzee, but neither are they especially convincing. Like it or not, the way you communicate connotes, at a bare minimum, the level of effort you put into what you're saying. If you can't be bothered to write in a manner that doesn't resemble typographic vomit, then you can't expect me to give it much consideration.
Edited by Exile#1863 on 3/19/2013 12:06 PM PDT
It was going pretty solid until I reached this

03/19/2013 12:03 PMPosted by Exile
your opinions aren't totally invalid just because you communicate like a retarded chimpanzee


now, why would you say something like this? Ok, don't answer please, as a biologist I wont get into it

I'll give you the

+1

though :)
omg games broke qq i only played 600 hrs

^if your post relates to anything I just said you shouldn't be allowed to post. I feel like the smart people with no lives are the ones who shouldn't
Is this a general complaint about how people structure their displeasure with how this game was released and how it has changed since release?

I agree that a lot of posts are poorly worded and not constructive at all but I highly doubt Blizzard pays them even the slightest mind anyways.

03/19/2013 11:38 AMPosted by Stentorian
There are plenty of constructive criticisms of D3 (and these are usually the ones that get blue posts)


As far as that there are more Blue responses to posts about cats, piano covers, what you wear when playing, etc . . .than constructive criticisms threads. But I can understand consider when they do post any kind of information it is usually flamed and picked apart.
where you ignorantly tried to assert that "free speech" and "destructive speech" are two different things


Actually, although perhaps misapplied in this instance, the broad concept OP is referring to is not "ignorant." Historically, under United Sates jurisprudence, there was indeed a distinction between general free speech and "destructive" speech. This distinction survives today, to a lesser extent. One may, for instance, incur liability if inciting another person to violence, although his participation is merely verbal. Again, this is a far cry from criticism on a gaming board. I'm only pointing out that the OP wasn't as misguided as you imply.

The second thing that made you appear "stupid" is where you made the statement trying to discredit the criticism of those who may not be educated as well


As unpopular as this may be, and (oh no!) politically incorrect, I'm comfortable using education as one criteria to evaluate other people's opinions/capabilities. Again, it's not all-encompassing. It might not even been an indication of noteworthy intelligence. After all, many university degrees require little more than showing up to class for four years and not being a total imbecile. That being said, they still require you to demonstrate enough dedication to follow through, and I repeat, not be a total imbecile (i.e. pass basic tests, write with a minimal competence, etc.).

Truth be told, I've found a more reliable determinant of intelligence is the amount of reading a person does. Whether formally schooled or not, I've observed a strong correlation between people who read frequently and higher intelligence.

All I'm suggesting is that education isn't such a terrible factor to consider, especially when evaluating complete strangers. Of course, the subject matter is also incredibly relevant. While you don't have to be a genius to weigh in on a game like D3 (so education is less relevant here), forgive me if I don't equally consider the advice of Joe the Hobo and a senior accountant at Ernst & Young when preparing my taxes. Education matters, but so does context.
Edited by Exile#1863 on 3/19/2013 12:43 PM PDT
its like what Athene said 90 % of trolls are teenagers these days. times have changed
03/19/2013 11:38 AMPosted by Stentorian
It really makes them look stupid when they target game designers (all from reputed universities and make close to, if not more, $100K/year) and flame them for producing a game that apparently falls short of their "Expectations".


I agree with pretty much everything you said except for this.

You're making assumptions with statements like this. You don't know for certain how much these people are making although you have a general ballpark from Glassdoor. You also have no way of verifying where (or if) the devs have attended any sort of college or university (getting into the industry requires a decent portfolio).

Additionally, with the way your post was written it comes across as just bashing on those that complain for each of those reasons you stated above. However while you might be correct in 90% of your assumptions, you can't say for certain that the people complaining don't make more than the devs supposedly do, or that there aren't other game devs here with complaints for that matter. I can promise you that you'd be wrong on both of those counts.

Be careful making assumptions. You know what they say about someone who assumes something.
Edited by ChipNinja#1794 on 3/19/2013 12:39 PM PDT
A majority of posts in these forums make you wonder "are these people for real?" not only because of their non-sensical content, but also failing at basic grammar you'd expect from 3rd graders.

I know it's a gaming forum (and who cares about dumb things like punctuation right?), but is it so hard to learn the difference between "they're" "their" and "there", or to not use "rediculous" as an adjective describing D3?

It really makes them look stupid when they target game designers (all from reputed universities and make close to, if not more, $100K/year) and flame them for producing a game that apparently falls short of their "Expectations".

Free speech is one thing, but "destructive" free speech where rampant useless posts by trolls and misinformed folks distort and negatively influence the opinions of the passive community member who read the forums and get the wrong idea should be minimized. There are plenty of constructive criticisms of D3 (and these are usually the ones that get blue posts). We don't need more posts about the game designers' belly size or sexual preferences.


Is not "destructive" speech freedom of speech? Does it really matter if someone makes a punctual, grammatical or spelling error in a post; regardless if it's a post aimed at game designers who happened to attend a university who may or may not make $100k a year? Is it necessary for someone to be within the same bracket on a payscale for their opinion to be criticism rather than "destructive speech".

Why does education matter when criticism is concerned? Say for example, a person were to simply obtain an A.A.S degree from a Community College is their opinion more correct or superior than the critique or opinion of someone who only graduated High school before entering the workforce? Is someone who obtained the A.A.S degree from the Community College unable to give a well rounded criticism of Diablo 3 compared to a person who may have graduated with a Masters degree?

By all means you have a freedom of speech to say what you wish too but right now despite the fact you've managed to type well (Which really doesn't matter in my opinion.), you seem the most "stupid" with your statement where you ignorantly tried to assert that "free speech" and "destructive speech" are two different things. The second thing that made you appear "stupid" is where you made the statement trying to discredit the criticism of those who may not be educated as well as those who attended "...reputed universities and make close to, if not more, $100K/year.".

I hope you take your idea of a "minimum intellectual requirement before posting" and apply it to yourself, good day. :)


your comprehension skills are really poor, and you fabricate information to try to add credence to your little rant. nice try.

firstly, no one has the freedom to destructive speech, which is why you don't see things like child pornography as legal, or death threats in public tolerated. some information is pejorative and do more harm than good objectively (i'm not talking about subjective destructive information: like some would consider any discourse dismissive of religion as destructive, while others would consider it rational and progressive).

second, I'm not making any causal relationship between education and the credibility of posts. I'm saying a majority of derogatory posts lack any kind of constructive content and should be filtered. a person making posts like that are "MOST LIKELY" someone who's lazy and just plays all day and feels entitled to an amazing video game.

" Is someone who obtained the A.A.S degree from the Community College unable to give a well rounded criticism of Diablo 3 compared to a person who may have graduated with a Masters degree?"

no where in my post do i imply that, so you need to stop making !@#$ up. A middle school teenager has the ability to make a well-rounded post that lists what's wrong with D3 and possible remedies. My point is why try to bash the D3 community when your own writing skills make one wonder how you figured out how to use the internet in the first place? I'm trying to promote a healthy conversation about D3, not flame/troll.

nice to see you getting all worked up though.
Edited by Stentorian#1629 on 3/19/2013 12:41 PM PDT
03/19/2013 12:29 PMPosted by ZaPLaS
now, why would you say something like this? Ok, don't answer please, as a biologist I wont get into it


Forgive me. It was more illustrative than it was a condemnation of our hairy cousins. I meant no disrespect to the noble ape, whose nimble antics at the local zoo captivated me on many a summer afternoon during my middle school years. Truth be told, I think chimps would do relatively well on the D3 boards, as measured against the average poster.

Kidding! (sorta)
If the OP is actually serious I feel sad for her...
Edited by pcjunkie#1409 on 3/19/2013 12:43 PM PDT
03/19/2013 12:03 PMPosted by Exile
fyi: 100k is not a lot of money in orange county/ca (you know, where blizzard is) so lets leave the salaries out of this as they are insanely imbalanced across the country due to cost of living differences.


Get real, please. I live in Los Angeles and frequent OC. 100k is a lot of money for most people. For white-collar professionals at the top of their industry, you are correct, it's not breaking any records. Most of the people I know outside of my field make 45-50k per year, with college degrees.


Sounds like somebody chose the wrong field, then. 90-120k is a pretty normal range for a senior level software developer (aka 5 years or so of experience). Sure, it's a lot of money, but it's not like if you make 100k a year you even own a house around here.

I'm getting a steal of a deal only paying 1800 for a 2 br place around here. 100k means savings but not very much. if you're making 40-50k you better be living with your significant other or living in a studio place or else you are very uncomfortable.
03/19/2013 12:42 PMPosted by pcjunkie
If the OP is actually serious I feel sad for her...


Please do elaborate on your sympathy...
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