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You guys all seem to forgot about wizard/Dh nerfs. All the "MVP"s posting like they know any thing about the game regarding high mps. You clearly don't. Just by looking your profiles anyone can see that you only play the game to have credibility to post about classes given the fact that you all have chars of all classes but guess what, it doesn't work like that. I have yet to see a CM or MVP that has a strong char that is able to farm mp 10. That being said, I own 2 classes but my experience with them was on mp 10 strictly. SO please, begging you, do not post things about you have no experience about.
I have barb friends that are very well-geared and they know the issue. Given the fact that even without WOTB, class itself is superior to other classes in every way. I wrote it in several threads but I won't be lazy and will write one more time.
Best stat(Highest Armor)
Best set items with a BIS gloves(only class)
Only Str class hence less competition(I don't care If you come up with the 40% playerbase bs, I played the AH enough the know that barb items are so much cheaper than dex/int items)
Best attribute in the game given to barbs from both belts/passive(Everyone knows that ls is mandatory and other classes NEED to have it to survive)
You can argue whether ARCHON is overpowered or not but it's clear to me you never played archon on high mps. One word for you, it is not viable. You need absurd amounts of AR/LS to not kill yourself vs. elite packs. Go ahead roll a wizard, make it so you have enough dps for mp 10(Just for mp 10 we are talking about 5bil + AT LEAST) and try to kill an elite pack even with a ls wep. You will kill yourself instantly. I, for a fact know that lots of my wizard friends cash out/stop playing wiz solely on this particular reason. Wizard is a broken class although it seems like strong, only viable built is a melee spec for such a class that is called "WIZARD" is a joke. Go ahead and nerf cm too and watch everyone quitting Wizard because there is no other spec.
"Ruthless" passive. I have yet to see that good of a passive on other classes. 5%cc + 50%Cd ?
LOL. Only passive that is close to it is wizards "glass Cannon" and it has downsides.(It's called "glass cannon" for a reason)
The Issue is that "barb" class already is superior in every way to other classes. On top of everything that I listed, having a 100% uptime cc immunity gives them "ABSURD" advantage over the advantage they already have. Don't say that barb going to be on the same par with other classes after WOTB nerf. For such thing to happen, They would need to redesign all classes.
Dont believe me ? Go check out general chat and view profiles of those yelling "MP CARRIES". 95% of them are barbs with "Mediocre" gear yet more effective than my 15Bil+ monk. Does such a spending give me right to talk ? Yes it !@#$ing does since I put hours on this game just to feel inferior to some mediocre-geared barbs in multiplayer game.
PS : MVPs disregard this post as I don't feel like arguing anything with you given the fact that you guys are pure "trolls" that have no credibility for me.
Edited by DarkSoul#1238 on 4/20/2013 7:12 AM PDT
LOL bro. I'm troll ? The guy says he is owning a demon hunter claiming to know !@#$ about class yet only paragon lvl 41 with awful gear. If anything these MVPs are trolls. "Most valuable poster" should have enough experience about the game to make such bold statements otherwise no one will listen to them.
I posted on Demon hunter thread about EDPS issue and how it affects other classes in multiplayer games. I'm not asking for nerfs in general, I only want a fair game. They built the game on real money where efficiency matter yet with an awful class balance. Demon hunters/Wizards got nerfed so many times but I never seen them crying this much as barbs doing right now.
They can't nerf archon man. It's a well-known fact that Archon is not an "OP" spec by any means. I don't even know what these CMs are smoking.
if that goes through i expect changes to Archon and CMWW wizzzys, and TR Monks and Zombie bear wds. Yeah. kill all the barbs workable builds and leave everyhting else. right.
this game doesnt need nerfs. it needs BUFFS to the lesser preforming classes.
I disagree slightly. The issue is not the mechanic that allows them to stay up all of the time -- that's a cool way to change up a skill, which is exactly what runes should do -- the problem is that the base skill is too strong and the other runes are too weak. By taking some of the bonuses for WotB out of the base skill and incorporating them into the runes other than ToC, for example. people who want to maintain a lesser bonus all of the time to go for that, or they could choose a rune like Insanity and get vastly larger bonuses for a shorter period of time. For example,
WotB: Run Speed 20%, Crit Chance 10%, CC immunity
Insanity: Attack Speed 50%, Damage 100%
Striding Giant: Attack Speed 25%, Dodge 60%, Run Speed 35%
ToC: Make it easier to maintain, such as by allowing Fury beyond the max to still add time. Without the attack speed or dodge bonuses, it doesn't matter as much if someone maintains 100% uptime, so making it less annoying to maintain it is an attractive idea.
Caveat: The above would need to come with a general buff to Barb skill damage as this would be a massive DPS nerf vs. now.
Edited by tanis0#1871 on 4/20/2013 7:49 AM PDT
i actuailly like this. and TBH i wouldnt mind a bottom end dps nerf. i dont think its right that barbs are dropping 15m into low end gear and farming trash on MP10. a low end damage nerf would give a greater curve on DPS to gear.
I never played game like this before with nerf classes on every patch.
Diablo is going to be like WoW,and thats im afraid of.
They should make better weak classes.
Seems its time to sell all gear ,and play flipper only.
Im afraid to spend time and money to gear up another char ,cuz of incoming nerfs.
Im so disapointed of Blizzard.
Edited by Drax#2292 on 4/20/2013 8:46 AM PDT
The best example why Blizzard should buff other classes instead of doing what's wrong for the playerbase.
ONE THOUSAND FIFTY MILLION PRECENT THIS. /THREAD /END OF STORY
You think its stupid =\= is stupid
personal prefrence is personal
It would be nicer if they fulfilled there original intention but so much would have to be changed to acount for their loss. Skills,gear and passives would have to be revamped and elites mob affixes would again need to be looked at. There are no other skills for barb deemed viable to counter crowd control, who wants to have leap to be a must have skill there are far to many locked in skills already. To remove them or nerf them would take a great deal of effort to re-balance characters so that players kept playing
Wrath and Archon "fix" a lot of the flaws with the skill system and provide viable builds because lets face it there aren't many.
Movement speed has a lot to do with it, its to slow to dodge or implement skill into a game that requires none.
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