OP if u spent time playing the game rather then sitting on the forums trying to redesign the game u might make it somewhere.
prices are perfect, i can afford whatever i need, and its easy collecting gold weather its selling or gold finding. you just do not understand how the Diablo series is....
I WILL MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU..... THIS IS NOT.. AND I REPEAT NOT.... ELDER SCROLLS OR FALLOUT..... YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO BE FULLY GEARED AND OP BY THE TIME U REACH INFERNO/END GAME......... PLAYERS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE EQUAL, EVEN IF YOU STARTED SINCE LAUNCH OR ARE RETURNING OR JUST STARTED PLAYING A MONTH AGO...
I got over 1000 hours on ONE CHARACTER, and i have had only one crazy godly drop that sold for 1.2 bilion gold. It was a IK Chest back in 1.0.5, there are reasons items are listed at 2billion gold. ITS BECAUSE THEY NEVER F@#$ING DROP.......
I personally have found 3 Mempos out of these 1000+ hours of game time, not a single one had any CC. i doubt there are alot of players who have even found 1 Mempo yet.......
But here u are with 2k elite kills on each character demanding cheaper prices and better drops, all out crying about the game. when 80% of the player base is doing just fine, maybe u shouldn't have quit when u did?
Or maybe u should put in the time like me and other players alike, and then you will find good gear to sue and sell. ORRRRRRRRR you could go play Skyrim, casue i know thats ur kinda game. Nice and streamlined.
(I cannot belief this guy, has a hundred or so hours invested, and hes trying to redesign it like every other fool on here with 5k elite kills. I think they need to figure out that this game is not for them and move onto the next console game that is being release next LOL)
This is a game meant to have some fun from time to time. If you are not having fun then why play.
I stopped playing about a month or two after release, and then returned about a month ago. So I skipped several patches and came back with about 1 million gold and a monk that couldn't clear act 2 inferno before, but could farm MP1 act 3 after.
I have finished leveling one character of each class to level 60 and honestly have been having alot of fun. However, there are certain issues for me regarding the AH and gearing that frankly, made me quit playing before, and are slowly driving me away right now.
Basically, my point: How in the world am I supposed to be able to afford anything?
a) leveling a character, and buying gear lower than level 60. It's nearly all exponentially more expensive than crappy level 60 gear. Because no one lists it. The only people who buy it already have lots of gold, apparently.
b) The items that drop mostly will not sell on AH. In a month of farming inferno I've made only a couple of million off of items (if that). I list by searching for similar items and posting reasonable prices. I even leave the opening bid at vendor to encourage people to buy. I only save rares with prime stat, vit, resist all, + whatever. And I keep rings/amulets/off-hands with IAS, CC, or CD (among other well-rolled rares). Almost nobody is buying stuff that isn't "best in slot". So I can't get any drops to sell (let alone use myself), and I can't sell anything to buy any gear.... essentially I can't do anything except keep hoping for that one great drop that I can sell for a billion gold and finally fund my characters. Playing Diablo 3 is worse than playing the lottery. I feel I have a better chance of hitting the powerball jackpot.
c) One way of making money would be to flip poorly listed items. But if I'm not working in BiS items, this is very risky and my pool of funds is too small. So I can't work in BiS items because I don't have enough gold, and flipping non-BiS items is pointless because even well-rolled items sell only ~few times per week, and I don't have enough gold to invest in a long-term buy/re-sell process.
d) Searching for items on the AH is insanely frustrating. Searching for upgrades for one character in all slots can take over an hour. And there are alot of possible stats that aren't available to search for in a slot, even though legendaries can roll that stat. And there are still some stats that just plain aren't searchable. So I can't compare to the item have equipped (or want to sell). If I wanted to try to make money flipping items, I could imagine spending 5+ hours a day in order to actually do it well. And then I would promptly hate/quit the game.
1) One possible solution is to just wait until the new patch drops and lots of people come back to try out the new changes. Then there will be more people posting way-too-low prices and more people paying way too much for rares. This is an unreasonable solution because it alienates the people who are playing the game in the "downtime" of population in between patches. It fails to address any of the underlying problems that are leading me to post this in the first place.
2) Saved search criteria. Please, for the love of (something), let me save the search criteria I just spent 10 minutes refining in order to find gear that I both want and can afford. Without forcing me to pop open good-ole' Excel on another computer.
3) Essentially, it seems to me the current state of the economy is that:
a) people who made a ton of money early on see no problem with the economy because they have a ton of gold.
b) people who get lucky with a BiS legendary make a bajillion gold off of someone who already had a bajillion gold.
c) people who just came back to the game have no reasonable way to make money or gear up, as compared to the above people, except to just keep farming and hoping for the above-listed lucky legendary drop. Essentially you can play the game without picking up any rares and you're probably better off. This just seems silly.
4) experimental thoughts:
a) Certain items are sold the same way as gems and recipes. I want a wrist with 100 Dex, 75 Vit, and 50 AR. Those items start at ______ gold. Extra affixes add varying amounts to the cost. IAS may be a __% increase per point. CC or CD also a __% increase. Increasing those stats by x% increases the cost by y%. But the costs are set by an analysis of recent trading trends. This analysis is difficult, but can certainly be done. This would decrease the price of items listed in this way (presumably blues and yellows), which would naturally cause the prices of legendaries and set items to be more reasonable (by reasonable in this case I mean hundreds of millions of gold, as opposed to billions).
b) Items listed with a certain optional setting would automatically be vendored for 2-3 times the vendor price (or more, if more incentive is needed) at the end of their auction period. This encourages lower-level items to be listed while leveling and encourages listing of more intermediate level gear, while also providing a source of increased income rate for people stuck in the "in-between" phase I currently find myself in.
c) why is crafting still so much of a money sink? I'm not spending a percent of my entire current bank account to craft an item that could get 5 useless affixes. My mind is still blown how horribly inefficient crafting is; and this is compared to the inefficiency of the AH, which means that on an absolute scale of inefficiency, crafting just made my head explode.
I'm open to suggestions for what I'm doing wrong, of course, but I hope I've provided a clear indication of what is giving me that slow feeling of "getting ready to quit Diablo again".
TL;DRmy point: How in the world am I supposed to be able to afford anything?
I will say this, just do what a lot of players do. Pretend that the auction house does not exist. :)
FML where to begin!!!!
Firstly, Are you seriously asking to have earnt a few hundred million gold after just 2k elite kills? How many hours do you expect to have to play this game in order to earn 1 billion gold?
In your opening sentence you state you played this game on release and stopped playing a month or 2 afterwards. At the time you couldn't clear act2 but after coming back you have now got gear which can clear mp1 act3. I hope you remember that when this game was released people like you were moaning that inferno was too hard to complete (as if you were expecting to clear this level a few months after relase with less than 50 hours played). Blizzard listened to "you" on numerous occasions and nerfed inferno to the ground which they then came back and buffed with mp levels. Anyway the point is that the primary reason you (or i for that matter because i was like you) couldn't clear act2 inferno onwards pre nerf was that we just didn't have the gear at the time. Look at the gear you are wearing now and remember back to a few months after realse. Your entire set you are wearing now could have been worth a billion gold back when you stopped. Obviously the game has carried on since you stopped played which has allowed you to gear up so you can do mp1 act3 for relatively low amount of gold.
So now you want to get BiS items but you do not want to farm for this. By farming that can either be killing monsters in game of flipping in AH.
So Blizzard then give you more plans to pick your primary stat to craft and thats STILL not enough.
For your information i've been playing D3 on and off since release day and I will agree that it does appear to be slow to generate gold. However I do not complain about it. I just get on with actually playing the game and just remain patient building up my bank. I also flip at the same time to generate extra gold. If i was going to complain, then my complaint would be idiots shouting so much that we have now got more BoA items in D3. This was a completely alien concept in Diablo 2 and it only existed in WoW. Diablo 3 feels even more like "WoW 2" than ever now.
One has to ask OP are you trolling us?
you can get gears for cheap and have a pretty good farming rate, i got my barb to 50.5% crit and 227% crit damage for about 6 mil gold, its pretty cheap and of course i found some cheap item on ah that shoulda been worth more, just gotta search, sometimes i would rather just play on the ah then farm
also account bound items are pretty good too
why are you flipping only low items? ~ if i am to flip an item i would make sure i make atleast 1m gold + on the profit, which i have done several times buying item in the 250k-500k range
also flipping item is a risk cause the items does not always sell at a profit
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