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10/01/2013 03:44 AMPosted by MrDuMa
All you gotta decide is LS, OS, CD or IAS for the wand (IAS means you will be on 2.73APS without having to change your bracers to Lacunis or your pants to Inna [not recommended])


True Murdurma. Even if you get a 8 IAS Chant Force, you will only need a 1.70 AS Chant Will to get to the 2.73 breakpoint. Its kinda of a no brainer.
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Baby wiz. It's not an excuse, it's a responsibility that outweighs the likes of this place :p

I'm only answering the last few posts anyway... you're going further back haha
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Derma,

Its not even baby wiz's fault, lol. I do almost all of my forum stuff at work...its a wonder I don't get fired. Work's been getting in the way. Sucks.
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hahahahaha

"I do almost all my forum stuff at work.."
"... it's a wonder I don't get fired.."
"Work's been getting in the way.."

Wonder how your employers feel about this thought process.

Personally, I would've just taken the baby wiz ticket :)
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yeah. well, I have a cube in the corner....so I'm pretty isolated and can get away with it. Plus I have alot of downtime inbetween doing things at work, so I do it then. Of course, there's always more productive things I should be doing during that downtime, but, that would keep me away from forums. Plus my job kinda sucks.....I need the diversion. it makes me a happier worker. lol.
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It's OK... if your boss suddenly rocks up, you have Alt+Tab. In extreme cases, Alt+F4 is also viable.
Hello, I have a question about my mitigation/defense. I'm sitting at 47khp, 3399 armor, and 848ar (with a few close to 900) with 874loh. I notice I get chipped away quite easily and the bulls in FoM take me down 3/4 (mp10), how should I shift my defensive stats around? I think I may be running a bit low on armor. What should I be dropping for more armor? My profile is:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/timoseewho-1824/hero/32474701

Thanks.


Down by 3/4? Congratulations are in order, lol!! At least you survive. My mitigation is low enough that I need to have a full Crystal Shell to survive sometimes. And, actually, its not necessarily just my mitigation as much as my life pool....its a little low.

Basically, you're not doing alot wrong. You are at 87% mit which is a little low, like you suggested. I think that 88% mit is the minimum for MP10 (I'm at 88.3%) with 89% being alot more comfortable.

You can easily add some STR to your vile wards - the lightning res affix means you have a "Wasted" stat there. You also might be able to sacrifice some of your average damage on your amulet for maybe some armor or AR. I know you will be happier getting to 88% mit at least...if not a little more. Getting there is tough...believe me...SC kinda holds you back in that respect. Mempe/APOC Force is going to do worlds of good for your EHP and mit - but its gonna set you back about 6B (i've been considering it (mempo + APOC Force + Nats ring w/LoH). YOu can still eek out aome more AR on your pants and chest. AR on your main hand ring would be good also. You're gonna have to sacrifice something: I'd keep life at no less than 45k (I was happy there, now I'm under that and not as happy)....and sacrifice some DPS to get there.

Good luck!
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Thanks for yours and Chatassys' input!

Do you happen to know the exact equation to calculate mitigation%? Is it just based off of hp, armor, and ar?
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10/01/2013 01:07 PMPosted by timoseewho
Do you happen to know the exact equation to calculate mitigation%?


check here. Very timely:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10139233864

(just use the calculator I have linked....or check your d3up profile)
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Edited by PieHole#1628 on 10/1/2013 1:43 PM PDT
My monk friend and I are looking for a frost spamming Wizard for regular loot/exp runs in higher MP levels. Please hit me up ingame if you're at all interested in running

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Thanks again PieHole. I'm looking to slowly transition into a will+os. How bad is it running at 2.5aps with me only changing the will for the time being? Or is the idea just to go for broke and swap to mempo/force+apoc/ring+trifecta+loh to hit 2.73aps again? I'm not really the ubers running kind of guy if that matters lol.
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10/02/2013 08:18 AMPosted by timoseewho
Or is the idea just to go for broke and swap to mempo/force+apoc/ring+trifecta+loh to hit 2.73aps again?


Unnecessary....for the most part. Check out my profile. All you need is a trifecta ammy to make an OS will work. doing the switch that you mentioned is something that I'm considering...but it will cost me about at least 5B to pull off....but ill net about an extra 1% mitigation and 5k Life. Worthwhile? Maybe.

But you can do pretty well with the OS setup that i currently have. You just struggle a little bit stacking mitigation and getting a big health pool. Its not the end of the world.

And 2.5 won't be awful...but you'll feel the difference in freeze strength and LoH returns. At least you have almost 900 LoH...that'll help some.
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Edited by PieHole#1628 on 10/2/2013 9:01 AM PDT
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Ok, so in the end I replaced my 8% witching hour with a 9% one with some armor on it, and bought chanto's IAS wand and a chanto offhand with vit.

At the moment, I can take out the attack speed on one of my items and still be over 2.73 BP...

... I am undecided whether I should

1) try crafting gloves with lots of CC/int/armor/AR/CD and without aspd
2) try buying/crafting an amulet without aspd but with AR/Armor and higher CC and CD
3) replace my rare ring with one with AR/CC/CD

What would you suggest?
Is there any line of development that I've missed?

I feel like my damage is pretty good (140k-ish) but my surv isn't so good at 4k armor and 630 AR
Edited by Cloudscraper#2833 on 10/3/2013 2:04 AM PDT

Hi there! You are in a pretty unique situation. The answer is.....whichever you are more comfortable with. That is the nice thing with simply changing between IAS and OS - you can play at either breakpoint. Playing at 2.73 at higher DPS is going to be better for farming, whereas 3.0 is going to be better for things like ubers, since the freeze is better. You can also play at 3.0 if you are playing a difficult area and need more survivability (since you will get better freeze and better LoH as well). So, there's not right answer...just depends on the situation.

Another thing with your gear. You have 53 attack speed between your ring, gloves, helm, chest, belt, and chant force. with your IAS chant will that is: 1.53*1.78=2.7234 (almost breakpoint). if you get a 9 IAS Chant Force (or a 1.79 Chant Will) then you can be at the 2.73 breakpoint without using a BT Cross -OR- Lacunis! That way, you can use some crafted bracers if you want....or a crafted ammy or rare ammy with just CD and CC and whatever other stats that you need. This is the setup that I used for a long, long time. Like, almost a year, lol.

Now, that being said. I really had a hard time getting over 230 or 240K DPS with my IAS Chant Will....its really tough. I usually tell people that around 200k is where you should think of moving to an OS Will. i stuck with my IAS setup for the longest time becuase i rolled a really nice set of crafted bracers (INT, VIT, AR, Armor, and CC)...so, I stuck it out because of that....had to move on eventually. If you don't have any nice crafted things, then the choice to go OS Will is alot easier.
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Tnx on your answer!

Right now I'm bidding for 1.79 Chatodo's Will because then I will be at 2,73 breakpoint without using Lacuni or BT amulet (like you say).
But, if I remove Lacuni, how I will get 12 MS? I have 12 MS on boots and 12 MS on Lacuni.
I can try to craft beter bracers because I have cca 300 Demonic E.
With BT pants and amulet, I have 1219 LOH and if I remove BT amulet, then I will have 735 LOH. Is that ok or I need that BT amulet?
I have one Inna's pants (only 8 IAS) in my stash but i think this BT pants are better because they have LOH and with BT amulet I have great bonus of 100 vitality.
Did I need to put that Inna's because they have 12 MS?
If yes, I will lose 472 LOH and with BT amulet and ring I will have 747 LOH.
Main question is if I remove Lacuni and put crafted bracers, how I will get 12 MS and what's with losing LOH if i remove BT pants or BT amulet?

TNX again PieHole!
Edited by Nino#2482 on 10/3/2013 4:37 AM PDT
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10/03/2013 02:03 AMPosted by Cloudscraper
2) try buying/crafting an amulet without aspd but with AR/Armor and higher CC and CD


This is what I think you should do. I mean, crafting gloves are fine....but you NEED CC and IAS. And probably AR and CD....all of which can, somewhat, be reasonably found on AH. And you'd probably also want maybe armor or VIT. There's not alot of variability.

With ammy, there is. You NEED CC and CD. Everything else is a bonus....and you can adjust your gear around to accommodate it.
CC+CD+IAS....sweet trifecta
CD+CD+400LOH....sweet....maybe its time for a Mempo Setup
CD+CD+800LOH.....even better....won't need LoH on a ring.
CD+CD+AR+Armor+VIT....like what I did: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/9561126068#1

The thing to keep in mind with the IAS build...is that since you don't have an OS on your Chant Will....you NEED to get the most out of the CD on your ammy. So start your searches with 8CC and 80CD and don't settle for less....maybe even 90CD. Without the IAS, the options are much, much better. You can even stick AR on there as well. And ALOT of INT is good too, because INT = AR. For a long time I ran with an ammy with like 285 INT + OS (58 more INT!!), 96 CD and 8 CC. That was worth about 35 All res....which was nice.

I like where you're going though. That's a really nice wand and will take you far. I had a 1.79 wand that was just 1208 DPS and carried that through all the way up to about 230k.

So, nice job....and good luck with ammy crafting!
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10/03/2013 04:31 AMPosted by Nino
But, if I remove Lacuni, how I will get 12 MS? I have 12 MS on boots and 12 MS on Lacuni.


well, you won't, lol. You're gonna be stuck at 12MS. I've never much minded it, just because I teleport so much. Other people really hate it.....but I think the stats that you'll get with crafted bracers will be worth the tradeoff.

10/03/2013 04:31 AMPosted by Nino
With BT pants and amulet, I have 1219 LOH and if I remove BT amulet, then I will have 735 LOH. Is that ok or I need that BT amulet?


Hmmm,...yeah. 735 is pretty low. But could be doable. You might struggle on higher MP's though. By then you should be over 800 LoH...if not 900 (450 from both pants and

Then again....reread my last post. Just be careful with what you do....like I said at the end...I found it really hard to move my DPS toward 250K with an IAS Chant Will. I just don't want you to get into a situation where you get a new setup....and then can't advance.
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Hi PieHole,

i got a Unity for free, so I went on to craft some shoulders to directly upgrade mine.

I feel like i've got a really nice pair of them, got 2k HP and 2k DPS off them, but now I'm stuck without a direction.

Is it worth it to try and craft another amulet, WITH attack speed, or should I start directly upgrading my set items into ones with better stats?

I also noticed that for 20-ish millions I can get 5-10k dps off a better Chanto's Force, maybe that's a worthy substitution.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Cloudscraper-2833/hero/7232037
Edited by Cloudscraper#2833 on 10/4/2013 11:55 AM PDT
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I think that there's plenty of things to do with your current gear....more INT, more AR, another socket on your Pants. Better Force, like you said.

I might split time between crafting amulets (like I said earlier...you never know what you're going to get...even CC and CD can be worthwhile....you don't necessarially need IAS) and crafting bracers until you got ones with AR and CC. Yeah...I mean...the ones you have are nice with the double INT and VIT roll....but having 65 AR is super nice also. I don't know....tough call.
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I think that there's plenty of things to do with your current gear....more INT, more AR, another socket on your Pants. Better Force, like you said.

I might split time between crafting amulets (like I said earlier...you never know what you're going to get...even CC and CD can be worthwhile....you don't necessarially need IAS) and crafting bracers until you got ones with AR and CC. Yeah...I mean...the ones you have are nice with the double INT and VIT roll....but having 65 AR is super nice also. I don't know....tough call.
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Hey ya!

I upgraded my blackthornes (can't spend money on gems + 2 OS to make them better than the ones I just bought), nat boots, nat ring and chantodo's force.

Got around 20k more dps, but I feel like I want to recover some EHP, i have 267k at the moment.

You DO suggest trying to get a better roll on bracers as first "defensive" priority, right?

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10/09/2013 10:19 AMPosted by Cloudscraper
You DO suggest trying to get a better roll on bracers as first "defensive" priority, right?


Almost absolutely. I would not even consider a pair of crafted bracers that didn't have CC and at least 50 AR. I mean...you really need to make it worth it, compared to lacunis. With no AH in front of me, I have to imagine that its pretty trivial to get a pair of lacunis with 5.5CC, 75 VIT, and 150 INT. I could be wrong. But if so, then your bracers simply offer an extra 150 INT over lacunis....nice, but seems lacking to me. Stick 70 AR onto your bracers and they're a beast....nothing on lacunis can compare (plus your INT roll gets capped at 100 when you roll CC and AR).

Now, I say, "almost" absolutely. Although the ammy is usually seen as an offensive piece, it could be defensive too. I rolled this a few months ago:
221 INT
106 VIT
76 AR
387 Armor
8 CC
77 CD
http://imgur.com/hUXE6ph
....that amount of AR and armor is pretty damned awesome....and could change your gearing path completely. It's not trifecta, but makes getting a pair of lacunis like I mentioned above, alot easier to stomach.
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I just wanted to thank you for this guide.

I reached the 2.73 point with only 20m~ following it and am able to farm mp5.

The math part explaining the breakpoints and logic behind it was flawless.

Thanks!
Edited by Achie#1222 on 10/18/2013 7:45 AM PDT
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