Diablo® III

The damage is permanent.

05/07/2013 08:53 PMPosted by Lylirra
we've decided to not move forward with rolling back the servers


People with the infinite source of gold today purchased items non-stop for hours. Quadrillions of gold flooded into the economy and was divided among the entire player-base to anyone selling items. You may have stopped the dupers but there is severe permanent damage if you don't rollback everything.

Not rolling back is a huge mistake and please review the consequences again:

1.) Quadrillions of gold was created today lowering the value of all preexisting gold.
2.) This gold skyrockets most desirable items beyond the 2 billion gold cap therefore out of reach for legitimate players.
3.) People with this infinite source of gold bought items they otherwise could not afford spreading quadrillions of gold divided among the community of legitimate players
4.) People did the same to stockpile huge amounts of gems.
5.) The smartest players divided all their assets from these ill-gotten gains and shipped the gold, items, and gems across many accounts so undoing the AH transactions would not undo these items.
6.) Real money is in fact involved in this game and all these ill-gotten gains destroys the integrity of the system.

You will have some players upset from losing 1 day of progress but the damage of not rolling back outweighs the damage of losing 1 day.

Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Yeah, it's really too bad. I've been playing a ton of D3 lately with my friends, they both say they're done, I think I might be too.

None of us ever broke 100mil, we weren't billionaires but we did beat inferno on MP2 recently. Good times, pity if we ever want to do it again we'll need billions just to equip our characters. We'll never have that.

The dupers and the guys who bought and sold gems are rich, the rest of the playerbase has been demolished.

Bad ending for D3.
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Go all in on HC. Revived the game for me and 2 friends. A wonderful side effect is all this doom and gloom is a fart in the wind as far as we're concerned.
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05/08/2013 01:16 AMPosted by Chillaxin
Quadrillions of gold flooded into the economy and was divided among the entire player-base to anyone selling items.

+1
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Yep, I know friends who received like over 10bn worth of gold simply by selling echoing fury to the exploiters. And also Dark Mage's Shade, Warmonger etc.

Basically, anyone who put up really bad legs for 2,000,000,000 on the AH were bought out instantly, and these people made billions of gold today.

Not rolling back is kind of stupid, given that all the gold spread far and wide.
Edited by ckhoo888#6744 on 5/8/2013 1:40 AM PDT
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When you know who the exploiters are... you rollback all their transactions today, gold AH and trade window.

Then, anyone that received gold from an exploiter via AH and trade window, you rollback all their transactions today.

Then, anyone that received gold from a person that received gold from an exploiter, you rollback all their transactions today.

Basically... if you bought or sold or traded anything today during the exploit... expect those transactions to be reversed. (Unless the gold isn't tracked to an exploiter)
Edited by BannedName#1439 on 5/8/2013 1:42 AM PDT
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Yeah, it's stupid. Hundreds of trillions worth of mid to high end items got bought out no matter the price.
Whole radiant star gem supply of the region got bought out and recycled GAH<->RMAH multiple times.
The amount of duped gold that stays in the economy is staggering.
They better increase the gold stack size to 100mil or even 1bil.
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Ditto, I'll wait for 1.09. Seems like Diablo 3 is coming to an end on a bad note. The arrogance of this diablo 3 team is to blame.
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When you know who the exploiters are... you rollback all their transactions today, gold AH and trade window.

Then, anyone that received gold from an exploiter via AH and trade window, you rollback all their transactions today.

Then, anyone that received gold from a person that received gold from an exploiter, you rollback all their transactions today.

Basically... if you bought or sold or traded anything today during the exploit... expect those transactions to be reversed. (Unless the gold isn't tracked to an exploiter)


Ok, so lets say someone unknowingly sold an item for 1bil to a gold duper. Got 850 mil gold. Then bought some more items for it, used several hundred mils in crafting Marquise gems, thus sinking the gold.
Do you leave the guy with negative balance?
The graph of duped gold spread are too complex to perfectly roll it all back.
That would upset WAY more people that a simple ~12hr rollback.
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+1 OP
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1.) Quadrillions of gold was created today lowering the value of all preexisting gold.

That gold will be traced and removed from the game.
2.) This gold skyrockets most desirable items beyond the 2 billion gold cap therefore out of reach for legitimate players.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
3.) People with this infinite source of gold bought items they otherwise could not afford spreading quadrillions of gold divided among the community of legitimate players

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
4.) People did the same to stockpile huge amounts of gems.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
5.) The smartest players divided all their assets from these ill-gotten gains and shipped the gold, items, and gems across many accounts so undoing the AH transactions would not undo these items.

The dupers are already traced, according the them, and whatever they did with the gold after that can be reverted.
6.) Real money is in fact involved in this game and all these ill-gotten gains destroys the integrity of the system.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted. Integrity will be restored along with it.
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When you know who the exploiters are... you rollback all their transactions today, gold AH and trade window.

Then, anyone that received gold from an exploiter via AH and trade window, you rollback all their transactions today.

Then, anyone that received gold from a person that received gold from an exploiter, you rollback all their transactions today.

Basically... if you bought or sold or traded anything today during the exploit... expect those transactions to be reversed. (Unless the gold isn't tracked to an exploiter)


Ok, so lets say someone unknowingly sold an item for 1bil to a gold duper. Got 850 mil gold. Then bought some more items for it, used several hundred mils in crafting Marquise gems, thus sinking the gold.
Do you leave the guy with negative balance?
The graph of duped gold spread are too complex to perfectly roll it all back.
That would upset WAY more people that a simple ~12hr rollback.


wow there really are intelligent people around...... not sure why this is so hard for so many to understand, not to mention we have zero clue how many people cashed in on this.
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05/08/2013 01:54 AMPosted by Cartman1337
1.) Quadrillions of gold was created today lowering the value of all preexisting gold.

That gold will be traced and removed from the game.
2.) This gold skyrockets most desirable items beyond the 2 billion gold cap therefore out of reach for legitimate players.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
3.) People with this infinite source of gold bought items they otherwise could not afford spreading quadrillions of gold divided among the community of legitimate players

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
4.) People did the same to stockpile huge amounts of gems.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted.
5.) The smartest players divided all their assets from these ill-gotten gains and shipped the gold, items, and gems across many accounts so undoing the AH transactions would not undo these items.

The dupers are already traced, according the them, and whatever they did with the gold after that can be reverted.
6.) Real money is in fact involved in this game and all these ill-gotten gains destroys the integrity of the system.

All transactions at any AH are logged, can be traced and reverted. Integrity will be restored along with it.

Pretty much exactly this.

Basically around 99% of the gold in the system will be neutralized, and since there is a freeze on gold trading right now and the Auction Houses are down, you can pretty much rest assured that whatever gold has not entered the system yet will be gone before it has a chance.

If gold was introduced, it couldn't possibly be that much.
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Yeah, it's really too bad. I've been playing a ton of D3 lately with my friends, they both say they're done, I think I might be too.

None of us ever broke 100mil, we weren't billionaires but we did beat inferno on MP2 recently. Good times, pity if we ever want to do it again we'll need billions just to equip our characters. We'll never have that.

The dupers and the guys who bought and sold gems are rich, the rest of the playerbase has been demolished.

Bad ending for D3.
So you play 1 hour a week and expect to be at the highest difficulty in that one hour.... Very genius of u.
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There is NO way to trace the entire route of all this gold.

It would have passed through so many accounts, so many auctions, so many different purchases that it will never be removed.

It would take a team of staff days/weeks to get through a small portion of this.

It will never be resolved.
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It's completely irrelevant. You can't really hurt something that is already terminally ill. All the exploit did was fast-track the problem that's been building since launch. There's too much money in the system, the gold sinks are mostly laughably pointless (either they cost too little or they cost too much without a real chance of meaningful results that no one uses them.) and the game is designed to just generate more and more overall wealth as time goes on.
That is, it's my belief that gold production (via simple old PLAY) vastly outstrips any method wherein it is lost; sinks, failed resales, etc. This wouldn't be that big of an issue but the absurd rarity of actually useful items and the constant increase in available gold has cause runaway inflation.
All the exploit did was hasten the problem.
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Since the damage is perm. Y dun just keep the AH closed forever. lol
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