Diablo® III

exp/hour ranking of areas + best exp route(s)

05/15/2013 12:15 PMPosted by Ravlaor
Btw, I'll be doing some runs on act II today Nubtro. What path do you want me to record the elite density?

Just whichever of the areas you run, try to keep track of how many elite packs you engaged in each. But only if you feel like it. We´re mostly interested in the Unknown Depths and Storm Halls.
Hmmm... Still a bit sad how far off it is from the 270ish M/hr I got on the PTR with the unnerfed (except weeping hollow) Act 1. Mind you that was zone without the 25% anniversary bonus.
Do you have any data on the randomly spawned dungeons in the static zones?
Oasis - Ancient cave, Flooded Cave, Mysterious Cave
Desolate Sands - Cave of Burrowing Horror, Vile Cavern
Also when you did the UHORCAS did you go through the waterlogged passage to the aquaducts or go backwards through the ancient path? If you went with the former did you go from the ancient path directly to the desolate sands?

1. You should easily break 200m with your damage output. I believe I can break 200 if I leave elite packs be after the 5th. That is more than enough. This exp gain is still nuts.

2. By the way if I tried an A1 run, which areas (what route) would you recommend? I just did one, but it was probably suboptimal (Festering->Hollow->Misery->Agony2->Agony1) plus I died three times.

55,079,771/210,240,000-2,577,220-21:29:30
149,369,382/210,240,000-22:01:30 -> after finishing Agony 2 +94,289,611 / 32 min
157,015,993/210,240,000-22:05:00 -> after an additional (but only half clear) Agony 1 run
2,579,325 lifetime
+101,936,222/+2105 kills / 35.5 min (13 elites)

176.8m/hour up to Agony 2 finish, 172.3m/hour if I take Agony 1 also into account. Pretty good for a first run, actually.

3. By the way is it just me or did they stealth buff the flowers from Trees? I remember them having a relatively long fuse time but now they seem to activate upon contact (something like spike trap). That was one of the deaths. The other was from Berserker champs...thought I was outta range :) third one was from Hulk champs (reflect damage, nightmarish, health link) as my WotB just ran out.

4. I entered the Flooded Cave (iirc) today out of curiosity...it was basically empty. But even if one of the random areas you listed were full with monsters, they spawn monster families that were nerfed. One of the reasons why you should not enter any Sands dungeons is because they give crap exp (hint: spiders, fiends). In my PTR tests, Betrayer was among the top areas now it´s below average. But I´ll be on the lookout for them and check how (bad) they are.

5. In that particular run, I went through the empty passage because WotB just ran out. I tehn used the waypoint outside (ancient path is empty). Otherwise I´d suggest doing Sands first and finish up the whole run with Aqueducts, I guess.
05/15/2013 01:02 PMPosted by Pri
...that being said...you should really consider changing your tag to NOOBtro...has a nice ring to it. ;P

Nub is actually from noob..only elites may call themselves that haha. The more you know the more there is to learn.

Yeah and I´m used to tl;dr reactions and the likes :)
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 5/15/2013 1:45 PM PDT
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05/15/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Nubtro
Just whichever of the areas you run, try to keep track of how many elite packs you engaged in each. But only if you feel like it. We´re mostly interested in the Unknown Depths and Storm Halls.


Okay, then.

2. By the way if I tried an A1 run, which areas (what route) would you recommend? I just did one, but it was probably suboptimal (Festering->Hollow->Misery->Agony2->Agony1) plus I died three times.

55,079,771/210,240,000-2,577,220-21:29:30
149,369,382/210,240,000-22:01:30 -> after finishing Agony 2 +94,289,611 / 32 min
157,015,993/210,240,000-22:05:00 -> after an additional (but only half clear) Agony 1 run +101,936,222/35.5 min (13 elites)


Even though the question wasn't for me and I don't keep track on such an extensively way I can give tell you something out of feeling and running the hell out of those places:

For 5 nv fast stacking best places I've found are: (Not necessarily put in an order of which is best)

1. Cemetery of the Forsaken;
2. Festering Woods;
3. Leoric Manor Wp all the way to mid South Highlands (always check for Watch Tower - the best way to get 5 nv);
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Dude, do you have an Excel file for this? Lets add up more data so we can do Averaging.
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Shut the !@#$ up *annoyed face*. >: \

Nerds need to rule this world. Jail all the idiots.


He was being sarcastic..... =P


Well, me too, duh o__o
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05/15/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Nubtro
1. You should easily break 200m with your damage output. I believe I can break 200 if I leave elite packs be after the 5th. That is more than enough. This exp gain is still nuts.


My goal is to hit 300M/hr now. After hitting 200M/hr on scorps I gotta set my sights higher, especially after investing in all that gear ;)

05/15/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Nubtro
2. By the way if I tried an A1 run, which areas (what route) would you recommend? I just did one, but it was probably suboptimal (Festering->Hollow->Misery->Agony2->Agony1) plus I died three times.


So far I've found the best route in act 1 to be:

Festering woods (5 stacks) -> Fields of Misery (get last stack if needed) -> Halls of Agony 2 -> Abbreviated highlands

I'm not 100% sure about the best way to go about the highlands right now, but what I'm doing now is going to Northern waypoint clearing clockwise then down to the Khazra Barricade.

05/15/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Nubtro
3. By the way is it just me or did they stealth buff the flowers from Trees? I remember them having a relatively long fuse time but now they seem to activate upon contact (something like spike trap). That was one of the deaths. The other was from Berserker champs...thought I was outta range :) third one was from Hulk champs (reflect damage, nightmarish, health link) as my WotB just ran out.


Not too sure about this, I highly recommend people memorize the location of the Resp chests spawn or go for the events rather than fight elites in Fields due to the high dmg of the trees.

I got someone who might be able to run some tests during my leave today.

One more meeting and I'm done! Then I gotta drive down to SD...
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He was being sarcastic..... =P


Well, me too, duh o__o


One never knows.... Pri's a common poster so I know that he likes to make lighthearted jokes. Point taken... sry...

So far I've found the best route in act 1 to be:

Festering woods (5 stacks) -> Fields of Misery (get last stack if needed) -> Halls of Agony 2 -> Abbreviated highlands

I'm not 100% sure about the best way to go about the highlands right now, but what I'm doing now is going to Northern waypoint clearing clockwise then down to the Khazra Barricade.


You should start at Leoric Manor's waypoint. It's a just a little backtrack and you can get 1-3 elite packs by loosing 1 min tops. You should try Weeping Hollow... 800-1000 kill streaks are awesome....
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ACT 3: Skycrown->KD2->Slaughter->Rakkis->Stonefront

157,015,993/210,240,000-2,579,325-23:12:00
23:18:30-NV5-23:25:30-KD2-190,102,034/210,240,000 +33,086,041/13.5 (147m)
23:27:30-23:32:45-slaughter-203,673,593/210,240,000 +13,571,559/5.25 (155m)
23:35:00-20:39:45-rakkis-4,691,081/216,720,000 +11,257,488/4.75 (142m)
+57,915,088 / 23.5 (148m)
23:43:30-23:51:15-stonefront-14,757,602/216,720,000 +10,066,521/7.75 (78m)
12r9c1g (21 elites)

I forgot to split Skycrown from KD2 here. But still, Act 3 (148m) does not seem to be able to keep up with Act 2 (193m) nor Act 1 now (172m), exp-wise. Note that these were just initial suboptimal runs so don´t take those values as absolute, also the pack density was kind of annoying here (Act 3 has the highest elite density among acts). I believe the gap would have been smaller had I run just trash after the 5th stack.

Ignore Stonefront I just wanted to check how it compares to its A1/A2 keywarden area counterparts...I met a pack right at the waypoint and afterwards my WotB ran out just before the Keywarden + another elite pack, it took me like 3 minutes to kill him...awful.

Due to the Crawlers/Stingers nerf, there really is no point in running any other areas beside KD2, Rakkis Crossing and Fields of Slaughter anymore (after you get 5 stacks). Or stick with KD2 only, just like before. KD2 still feels really good to play.

Hopefully people will do similar tests and compare their own gain between the acts. Looking forward to your data, guys. Ideally, keep track of
1. time it takes you to get NV 5 stacks,
2. how much exp each area gives you with 5 stacks and how long it took to clear that area,
3. how many elite packs you engaged.
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 5/15/2013 3:40 PM PDT
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05/15/2013 03:20 PMPosted by Ravlaor
You should start at Leoric Manor's waypoint. It's a just a little backtrack and you can get 1-3 elite packs by loosing 1 min tops. You should try Weeping Hollow... 800-1000 kill streaks are awesome....


Leorics Manner is def good for getting elites, but Festering woods did the job of getting 5 stacks better. The reduced XP on cultists doesn't make it that great of a zone anymore.

Weeping Hollow data is shown in my earlier post. Its not nearly as good as you think it is. It feels good because of all the mobs you kill, but the XP/kill is so low for it to make the cut. The bonus massacre bonus is pretty pathetic too.
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You should start at Leoric Manor's waypoint. It's a just a little backtrack and you can get 1-3 elite packs by loosing 1 min tops. You should try Weeping Hollow... 800-1000 kill streaks are awesome....

Read the note below the experience formula in the first post. Kill streaks are neglibible. 1-2 additional monster kills at MP10 with 5NV stacks give you more experience than any kill-streak.

Also, check the ranking and exp/hour values. The Weeping Hollow is comparable to Howling Plateau, the 8th ranked area in Act 2...

I wonder if we´re not destroying the illusion of The Weeping Hollow being likable to those who don´t know the truth...I kind of feel bad now :/

EDIT: lol Chazhang...first finish your business and then give me data from 2 runs. First your usual A1 one and next UHORCAS (lol) then we can talk about 300m ;)
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 5/15/2013 3:48 PM PDT
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my preference atm is to clear vota on MP10 after this i run daghler oasis. Its a pretty epic run!
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Nub, you've convinced me. I'm going to do some extended runs of DO, Ruins, Channels tonight and see how I like it. Thanks for all the data.
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So.... I decided to head back to SD just a bit later because this is just so intriguing.

Did a total of 2 runs of just Festering - Fields - HoA2
First run - 11:13 long at 299M XP/hr - Throwing on Highlands dropped it to 280....
Second run - 11:43 long at 311M XP/hr

Its uploading to youtube right now but it'll be on my channel soon.
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300 mil? Very impressive!
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You have my thanks friend
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Great work as always Nubtro and I'd be happy to contribute. However...
Hopefully people will do similar tests and compare their own gain between the acts. Looking forward to your data, guys. Ideally, keep track of
1. time it takes you to get NV 5 stacks,
2. how much exp each area gives you with 5 stacks and how long it took to clear that area,
3. how many elite packs you engaged.

..as a p100 I can only offer my help on 1 and 3.

Alternatively, as you suggested in a previous reply, I could help by just running a number of maps 5 times each and collecting data on the frequency of elite spawns. However, as opposed to doing this for the top ranked maps, I think I'll start from the bottom since identifying low XP/hour maps with high average elite spawns might be useful for determining starting points for optimal XP runs. However, I'm guessing that it will only prove what is common knowledge - Festering Woods in A1 and VoTA in A2 are decent places to get stacks.

Anyway, let me know what you think would be most useful.
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Abend, I just use a second, non-P100 barb whenever I want to do XP testing. I believe Nubtro has a second barb as well. After all, it only makes sense for those who are experienced at XP farming to be performing XP tests.
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05/15/2013 08:36 PMPosted by zylog
Abend, I just use a second, non-P100 barb whenever I want to do XP testing. I believe Nubtro has a second barb as well. After all, it only makes sense for those who are experienced at XP farming to be performing XP tests.

Derp moment...thanks Zylog, will get a new lvl 60 barb up and help if I can. Am especially keen to help get data on A1...
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hehe you guys are missing the best zone in the game... I was raking in more than 250m per hour solo when i finished off my barb after this latest density patch
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So.... I decided to head back to SD just a bit later because this is just so intriguing. Did a total of 2 runs of just Festering - Fields - HoA2
First run - 11:13 long at 299M XP/hr - Throwing on Highlands dropped it to 280....
Second run - 11:43 long at 311M XP/hr
Its uploading to youtube right now but it'll be on my channel soon.

Grats. Nice to see someone else not being able to resist ;)
Now please run VotA->Oasis->Ruins->Channels.

05/15/2013 10:31 PMPosted by BeerLeague
hehe you guys are missing the best zone in the game... I was raking in more than 250m per hour solo when i finished off my barb after this latest density patch

Well, I´m not missing anything, as far as I know. I haven´t gathered data from all areas in the game yet, otherwise I would find your "hidden gem" for sure (also if it´s really the best). Judging by what you wrote and assuming you read the first post, I´d say your area is not in Act 2. It´s also not in Act 3 because KD2 is the best there and it´s not better than the top 3 areas in Act 2.

Optional dungeons that don´t always spawn don´t count. So it´s either a dungeon in Act 1 (like Cave of the Moon Clan) or Act 4 (like Hell Rift). For the sake of the game, I hope it´s not something "brilliant" like Crypt of the Ancients.

05/15/2013 07:59 PMPosted by abend
Great work as always Nubtro and I'd be happy to contribute.

Thanks. Have fun with the second Barb. Mine is already at paragon 86.5 so I´ll probably be at 100 before getting all the data from the top areas :(

I´m currently running the believed to be best areas in each act to have a clear comparison.

- exp gain/time in minutes (first part)
- exp/hour gain (second part)
#. Keep Depths 2 Rakkis Crossing Fields of Slaughter
1. +18,366,090/4.75 +8,821,858/2.75 +14,572,421/4.25
2. +16,955,925/4.75 +8,585,696/3.00 +15,562,831/4.75
3. +16,405,320/4.00 +9,766,187/3.00 +14,428,859/4.75

#. Keep Depths 2 Rakkis Crossing Fields of Slaughter TOTAL
1. +231,992,716 +192,476,902 +205,728,296 +172,853,860
2. +214,180,105 +171,713,920 +196,583,128 +170,402,233
3. +246,079,800 +195,212,740 +182,259,272 +179,946,578

Note: total means the whole run including Skycrown (was unlucky and only got 4 stacks there twice in a row). I´ve upped my gain from these areas since yesterday by 30-50m exp just by not killing elites after 5 stacks.

Btw. Chazhang you have other accounts with Barbs? I don´t get how you´re at 88 if you´re achieving 300m (1.5 levels now) per hour and before you were getting 200m from scorpions (?).
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 5/16/2013 2:47 AM PDT
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Well the thing is Nubtro, outside of testing my Barb doesn't get much play time. Pretty much in 1.0.7 I did lots of testing and ended up maxing out at 200M/hr on scorps. Then he pretty much sat there until your DE farming challenge came up again.

Most of the time I play support monk with group farming since my barb just can't compare to the DPS of the people I farm with (most of them in the 10 top heroscore of their class) but a support monk is always welcome when running high MP VotA. It's kinda saddening how nothing emerged that comes close to VotA elite density and most of the people I play with and I are only interested in DEs atm.

I'll try to test out the routes later today. To help out, do you think you could list out the maximum HP of the 2 highest HP mobs in each of the zones please? It helps me figure out what gear to wear, for the zones where I only need 275k dps to 1 shot everything I can switch over to nats helm + boots and wear my leorics while maintaining similar crit chance.
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