Diablo® III

exp/hour ranking of areas + best exp route(s)

shish it´s more like test what is most efficient for you. The thing with Skorn Barbs like Chaz´s and mine is our ability to spread around Rends that are able to kill trash monsters by themselves (if they crit) which allows us to just keep running to the next pack of monsters.

About elite packs. You should only care about 5 packs at the beginning (+keywarden) and then you only focus on killing trash monsters...this is assuming you want to maximize exp gain. If you really struggle with elites and each takes you >30 seconds to kill at MP10, just drop 1-2 MPs.

With a hellfire ring, a +31% exp bonus ruby in helm and with 5 NV stacks, the experience multiplier is
8.855 at MP8
10.255 at MP9 (+15.81%)
11.83 at MP10 (+15.34%).

As you can see it´s not that big of a deal to run a lower MP if you´re able to run it comfortably, killing stuff faster and without dying. The health difference between MP9 and MP10 is 40%, which is higher than the experience gain difference.

So, just like Chazhang said, people should not be afraid to run MP8 or MP9, if they can clear it 16% faster than the MP above it, they won´t lose efficiency.

My advice is run the route 3 times on MP10, MP9 and MP8 (even MP7 if you want) and write down the time it took and your exp gain from each run. The numbers will give you a clear answer what your ideal MP is at your gear level.
Edited by Nubtro#2147 on 5/29/2013 8:14 AM PDT
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Anyway, I just hit paragon 100 with my second Barbarian...would making a third be way too crazy? Or, what else should I do?

Make a 3rd barb to play on the NA server?
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Anyone know of a map showing all potential spawn locations of the forgotten ruins? I seem to waste a lot of time crossing empty parts of the oasis searching for the ruins.
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@Nubtro:

From my understanding based on your posts, do you basically not even wait for the monsters in the current pack your killing to die? you rend and then run to the next group?

Reason im asking is because im doing the act 2 runs and i dont seem to be getting nearly the same results.

Granted I run mp8 and im not wearing a hellfire ring, but im not even close to the numbers you've got in this thread.
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@ Rifter:

Chazhang is the one optimizing to achieve the highest possible exp gain and he posted a video of it in action (follow up one of the links in the first post or check the previous page of this topic). He got 300m+, I got 200-250m, but he has better gear than me and I´m kind of staying to finish off stuff and pick up some yellows even instead of running after spreading the Rend because in places like Oasis my Rend´s not enough to 1shot snakes (plus the fact that I think they lose the bleed when they disappear).

Also, you need to use Brawler. That´s 26% more damage (1.45/1.15), which is a lot.

Anyway, I could answer better if you posted some numbers, instead of "not even close". I mean just run it at your usual rate at least 3 times and write down the time it took and your exp gain.
05/30/2013 09:35 PMPosted by CarlosMarcos
Anyone know of a map showing all potential spawn locations of the forgotten ruins? I seem to waste a lot of time crossing empty parts of the oasis searching for the ruins.

Oasis itself gives plenty of exp so you should clear most of it (mainly the snake packs which like to be stationed near the edges). That being said, I believe there is a few spawn locations and they´re interchangeable with waypoint spawn locations and some optional small dungeons - I´d say 3 possible in each of the bigger two circular areas that always have optional quests in their middle. After clearing the bottom smaller part where the waypoint is I run the left part clockwise and after clearing the middle section upwards, run the the right part counter-clockwise.

Use Chazhang´s video as sort of a guideline, although in it he didn´t clear all edges of the Oasis, the direction of his clear is how it should be done.
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05/27/2013 11:46 AMPosted by Nubtro
But of course, if you feel like doing a couple of Woods->Misery->Agony2 runs (or whatever your optimal route is) and compare your exp gain as a DH with VotA->Sands->Oasis->Ruins->Channels->Halls, I´d be glad to see your results.


Sorry for disappearing, but you know how it is.

Anyways, I really like the idea of figuring this out for DHs and other classes. I'll gladly use your methodology as an inspiration and collect some data tonight, and I'll post my findings. Keep up the good work!

I'll cross-post my findings in the DH forums to see if anyone's interested there.

05/29/2013 08:12 AMPosted by Nubtro
My advice is run the route 3 times on MP10, MP9 and MP8 (even MP7 if you want) and write down the time it took and your exp gain from each run. The numbers will give you a clear answer what your ideal MP is at your gear level.


This is something I was wondering about in general: what about the mf difference between 8, 9, and 10? Say I get something like 10 million less xp/hr (say 90 instead of 100) going from 9 to 10, how do I calculate whether it's worth it for the loot?

I've long suspected it's smartest to blitz P100 then worry about drops.
Edited by Dienekes#1423 on 6/3/2013 4:30 PM PDT
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I get what you meant by A1 being more DH friendly than A2 as I ran both yesterday (on MP4) with my average DH, was testing out a few skills and stuff.

A2 has snakes (appear on top of you), magewratihs (reflect projectiles while spinning) and many fast moving monsters that enclose you pretty quickly. Nonetheless, it was a nice change of pace compared to my third Barb who´s paragon 49 already in like 25 hours from scratch.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nubtro-2147/hero/28133590

Here are some of the runs I kept track of (without the anniversary buff I no longer hit >200m/hour)

---ACT 2--- (VotA, Sands, Oasis, Ruins, Channels, Halls)

elite-gold-lifetime
104,316-425,507,401-2,739,712
exp-time-exp gain-exp per hour
31,737,154/54,720,000 10:27:15
29,180,693/57,600,000 11:03:15 +108,323,539/36.00 +180.5m
104,354-425,801,092-2,742,169 44,088/kill +2457 lifetime
29,180,693/57,600,000 11:47:00
24,397,757/60,480,000 12:21:30 +111,857,064/34.50 +194.5m
104,387-426,086,933-2,744,601 45,994/kill +2432 lifetime
24,397,757/60,480,000 12:27:15
6,608,942/63,360,000 13:00:45 +104,611,185/33.50 +187.4m
104,420-426,402,152-2,746,964 44,271/kill +2363 lifetime
6,608,942/63,360,000 15:32:00
57,549,490/64,800,000 16:08:15 +114,300,548/36.25 +189.2m
104,453-426,734,948-2,749,604 43,296/kill +2640 lifetime
57,549,490/64,800,000 16:48:00
27,769,000/67,680,000 17:23:15 +114,219,510/35.25 +194.4m
104,484-427,098,553-2,751,854 50,764/kill +2250 lifetime

---ACT 3--- (Skycrown, Keep 2, Rakkis, Slaughter)
27,769,000/67,680,000 17:36:00
3,631,101/69,120,000 17:53:45 +43,542,101/17.75 +147.2m
6,987,534/69,120,000 18:00:45
49,619,798/69,120,000 18:19:15 +42,632,264/18.50 +138.3m

I also did a few A1 runs with my Barb but I was checking out some of the random dungeons in Fields of Misery and the Den in Weeping Hollow, they´re pretty crowded, actually. Have no data from them, though :/

By the way, here´s the base exp gain from monsters in the Fields of Misery:
monster - base exp
savage beast 9000
nest 6750
wood wraith 5625
moon clan warrior 4500
plague carrier 3375
burrowing leaper 2250
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So...Chaz and others who have participated in this data collection...we´ve indirectly made front page/blog/community commentary. Congrats.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10278178/community-commentary-post-108-farming-routes-6-20-2013

Haha not sure if we´re being trolled a bit and why they solely formally recognized a person who didn´t participate in the data collection at all and who just reposted our data in the hardcore forums, but whatever.

I´m thankful that the researched stuff is brought to the masses, but because it´s out of the context, it might confuse them more than help. Hopefully people will read the link to this thread and discuss their experience and compare their data - which routes are the best for each class.
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Haha I was going to go over to tell you about that too.

Funny how things work out. The referenced post doesn't really make that much sense though since he said the XP/hr rates were collected at MP1 when those are your rates at MP10.
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Well I guess Grimiku solely plays hardcore and he found it interesting but didn´t bother checking where the data came from.

That´s what I meant that it might confuse more than help. Our data is from softcore MP10 optimized for Barbs. I can´t bring myself to do the same research with all other classes, not to mention none of my other characters is able to run MP10 for me to compare it accurately.

That being said, some of the comments I read made me smile quite a bit...I mean the mindset of players who thrive for optimization and casual players is so different that even what may seem as helpful information which took a lot of time to gather and analyze, will eventually get buried in the never ending arguments and crying between the different types of players.
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Awesome post. Very helpful.
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I'm a moron, so what is VORCS?

EDIT: Dude! I totally get it! It's an acronym...

I'm a moron still.
Edited by Cheater#1479 on 6/22/2013 2:57 PM PDT
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I'm a moron, so what is VORCS?

EDIT: Dude! I totally get it! It's an acronym...

I'm a moron still.


V.O.R.C.S. = Vault of the Assassin - Dalhgur Oasis- Ruins (Forgotten Ruins in the Oasis - Always spawns) - Channels (Eastern and Western) - Storm Halls.

Edit: You should start the game at the quest to kill Kulle. Go to the Desolate Sands, find the Vault and the checkpoint.
Edited by Ravlaor#1393 on 6/22/2013 3:08 PM PDT
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I'm a moron, so what is VORCS?

EDIT: Dude! I totally get it! It's an acronym...

I'm a moron still.


V.O.R.C.S. = Vault of the Assassin - Dalhgur Oasis- Ruins (Forgotten Ruins in the Oasis - Always spawns) - Channels (Eastern and Western) - Storm Halls.

Edit: You should start the game at the quest to kill Kulle. Go to the Desolate Sands, find the Vault and the checkpoint.


Which one do I start at?

- The Black Soulstone: Begin Quest
- The Black Soulstone: Realm of Shadow
- The Black Soulstone: Soulstone Chamber

?
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I do the last one and it works.. Soul chamber
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Channels is amazing and right next oasis. It really makes the run. I never thought to try it before. Tip about how to get to storm halls without without messing up vota checkpoint huge too.

I was getting tired of act 1 so this is great.

Now I need some tips on a good act 4 run.
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Nubtro, thanks for your data dude.

Been doing VotA(for stacks)->Sands->east+west channels but will add ruins and majority of oasis after reading this thread

Again, thanks for all your hard work
Edited by tkidu#1825 on 6/22/2013 8:27 PM PDT
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Thanks Nubtro for the great work. (Aside: Confused if it was huanAK or you that is the original founder of this data that eventually got posted front page??)

Very noob question if I may, does your suggested best EXP routes depend on MP level?

In huanAK thread, he seems to suggest the routes must be done with MP10 to get maximum EXP, but his results are based on MP1 runs??

What is the optimal MP level to try these suggested routes at? Basically just trial and error?

some quick help??
Edited by Bankai#2591 on 6/23/2013 10:13 PM PDT
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quick help anyone?
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Thanks Nubtro for the great work. (Aside: Confused if it was huanAK or you that is the original founder of this data that eventually got posted front page??)

Very noob question if I may, does your suggested best EXP routes depend on MP level?

In huanAK thread, he seems to suggest the routes must be done with MP10 to get maximum EXP, but his results are based on MP1 runs??

What is the optimal MP level to try these suggested routes at? Basically just trial and error?

some quick help??

It's gear dependent.
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