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Any kiting (bliz/hydra) wiz left?

I quit wiz back in September and with the recent buff I tried to make it as an archon but failed so I’m running the kiting spec again.
Currently doing MP5 and switched in spectral blades for the extra heal.

So are there any kiting (bliz/hydra) wiz left?
I’m asking so I can see what I need to do to play in higher MPs

Don’t have a lot of gold and I don’t use RM so just looking for ideas and cheap upgrades.
Ohh I have a 28% SOJ in my stash .. not sure if that helps though

Thank you in advance for your help = )
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I have a friend who is still doing Blizzard, not Hydra though; it's very nearly the same thing what she's doing. It's very mobile and kitey. I could still do it if I wanted to, I imagine, as I've always enjoyed it. Anyhow, she can play MP8, up to MP10 but feels it's too slow to really be worth it.

I think she has something like 800+ AR unbuffed, 4200 armor, 38.5% cc, 335% cd, 2.9% ls, 1006 vitality, 24% move speed, some regen, not sure about ias. She also has 11,000 health globes, which she says is a huge help. Not sure about her unbuffed dps; buffed it's in the 225k range.
Edited by PAV#1876 on 5/10/2013 1:14 PM PDT
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If you want to kite, I'd recommend teleport/fracture, illusionist, and blizzard, then pick your offense of choice.
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thanks for the reply guys
I see that none of you are running kiting build though (PAV can you please help to link your friend's profile for me?)

ohh and this is what I had before http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#UlSiOQ!dfW!ZYZbZY
I sometime would switch to piercing orb

the current build lets me kill faster but still enable me to run around and avoid most stuff with my 24% MS

wiz was my second char but I slowly stop playing as the majority of wiz switch to freeze build
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thanks for the reply guys
I see that none of you are running kiting build though (PAV can you please help to link your friend's profile for me?)

ohh and this is what I had before http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#UlSiOQ!dfW!ZYZbZY
I sometime would switch to piercing orb

the current build lets me kill faster but still enable me to run around and avoid most stuff with my 24% MS

wiz was my second char but I slowly stop playing as the majority of wiz switch to freeze build


What do you specifically consider a kiting build? I run several disintegrate builds and a forked lightning build that I would consider kiting as it heavily uses teleport for positioning to avoid damage. If you mean that the builds use critical mass, most wizards build do because it's just a terrific passive.
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I'd consider these builds I use kiting:

http://d3up.com/b/585564/raining-meteor
http://d3up.com/b/576109/disintegrate-blizzard
http://d3up.com/b/581440/forked-meteor-party

Let me know if you want any info on any of them.
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05/10/2013 02:34 PMPosted by EmmetOtter
Arcane Hydra has surpassed Venom for damage in nearly all situations due to buffs a few patches ago. Venom is still king against guys like Belial and Ghom that you know won't move much or at all.


I do use venom in a freeze build that uses pretty much all cold skills, but that's about the only build I can bring myself to use hydra since it just seems like a waste of a skill (sadly.) So I guess from my point of view, the only hydra I ever use ISN'T arcane =)
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I wouldn't say I'm a kiting wiz, per se, but I've always went for non-archon, non-CM style builds. They can be so much fun! Here's a couple builds I've used with Blizzard/Hydra:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#UijQlT!ZeW!ZcacYc
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WiSQlf!ZUW!YaZcYZ
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On the first build, why would you use sparkflint over Force Weapon? That little guy's shots can't out do 3% damage can it?
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I always preferred Sparkflint to Force Weapon because it didn't take up a buff icon slot and the familiar itself does 20% damage. The icon slot thing is probably not much of a consideration now that they added a few extra buff icon slots, but I still feel the occasional 20% damage from the familiar outweighs the 3% damage to everything else. Not that I've run any serious calculations or anything though. :P
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thanks for the reply guys
I see that none of you are running kiting build though (PAV can you please help to link your friend's profile for me?)

ohh and this is what I had before http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#UlSiOQ!dfW!ZYZbZY
I sometime would switch to piercing orb

the current build lets me kill faster but still enable me to run around and avoid most stuff with my 24% MS

wiz was my second char but I slowly stop playing as the majority of wiz switch to freeze build


I run basically the same build as you except swapped out hydra for ray of frost. FL does enough aoe and with arcane dynamo the rof can do some pretty mean single target damage. Only draw back is if you are not paying attention to stacks it gets used up by blizzard. Forked lightning replenishes the stacks fast enough that it doesn't usually bother me though.
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05/10/2013 02:32 PMPosted by GunnersDream
What do you specifically consider a kiting build?

Anything that doesn’t use the power overwhelming skill or turn monster into ice sculpture I guess … my definition is pretty loose
Yes I agree I’ve always had teleport before but then I always use it with illusionist which eats up 1 passive so now I rely on just the move speed positioning and unstable anomaly which free up 1 skill slot for me to push higher dps via sparkflint

@EmmetOtter, yes that’s why I switch to Arcane now

@GunnersDream, I like them all hehe but I see that it’s too expensive for me

@BTGuy, how’s the mammoth hydra? And does conflagration and cold blood stack? Too bad conflagration is only 10 and not 15% or 20% =D
Hahah it’s funny how different people think … I chose force weapon before for exactly the opposite reason

@Keystone1, very interesting build, I think I’ll try it out
So you just have to be careful not to use up the arcane dynamo for bliz, but I have a questions about arcane dynamo, does it boost your RoF up to 355% dmg?
I played with RoF back in the days but never with AD before so I don’t know how it works

I’m currently using healing blade since it .. well .. heal so well and it scale up with my buffed dmg … it’s not as good as my barb’s rend but I won’t turn down a 7.5% LS on a 250K+ buffed dps with an additional 20% boost from CB
If it crit on a few monster it’s insta heal for me
Ohh and what MP are you running at with your current build and gear setup?…. Hmm and dang crit mempo… looks expensive lol
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Here are the skills my friend runs (I'm not going to link her profile as she never posts here or plays public games): http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alYjST!YZW!bbcaYa

I've watched her play, and it's all about running around gunning things down while they are slowed under the blizzard. She uses frost nova for its intended purpose.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#blXiOQ!dWg!bbabcY This is the blizzard/hydra build I usually run. Might use blur instead of cold blooded, depending on whether or not I'm getting banged up. For me to run this, I use a Zuni shirt instead of Tal's for the extra armor and resists. Heck, might just go try it just to see how high I can now, it's been awhile :) This is more a defense oriented build for me--no damage buffs, but a lot of mobility and mitigation. It takes a lot of action to play this, and I'm not sure if I've still got the resists to do it right.

ETA: Yeah, use Blur with this; I can still do it on MP8, but it's not so much a kiting build there. Gotta herd critters and run around them like a sheep dog. Needs high AR and good regen, I think, and it's slow at killing anything.
Edited by PAV#1876 on 5/10/2013 5:28 PM PDT
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The mammoth hydra works pretty well in narrow corridors. I'm almost positive conflagration stacks with other damage. I used it specifically for the Keeps areas. The strategy was to funnel mobs into a doorway or some similar choke point and melt them with the elements.
One thing I noticed to make mammoth more effective was to cast it slightly behind me, instead of way out in front like I do with the other hydras. This makes it more likely the mobs run into the fire as most will be coming straight at me. I would also recast the mammoth pretty frequently to adjust the path of fire better.
It has it's place, but probably not the best hydra run to use.
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Not sure on the exact figures but I know arcane dynamo triggers rof for the whole duration of the cast. So if you get some distance on a strong elite, with the slow from rof I can usually cast for a long time and really burn the health bar down. And even if you have to reposition and re cast rof, the recent buff to rof is still much better single target than hydra. Add in a stone of Jordan ring and elites shouldn't be much of a problem.
Edited by Keystone1#1821 on 5/10/2013 5:24 PM PDT
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this is the hydra build i used before:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8197741937#1

although i still used it at times, pretty fun for lower mp's.
Edited by yems#6688 on 5/10/2013 6:08 PM PDT
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I still play kite blizz wiz once and a while. Especially if I am powerlevelling other players. 400+ k dps, 3000 armor or so, 600ar, 50k hp.

It is fun and a good break from cm.
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