Diablo® III

Best all-around RF build challenge: Completed

The OP is going to factor in the price of gear when determining the winner?

Just how do you expect to do this? How do you determine whether I got my gear at a regular price or if I paid a flippers premium.

Your rules are subjective so this isn't a real competition. A real competition is based solely on results not on personal opinions like the worth of an item.
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The OP is going to factor in the price of gear when determining the winner?

Just how do you expect to do this? How do you determine whether I got my gear at a regular price or if I paid a flippers premium.

Your rules are subjective so this isn't a real competition. A real competition is based solely on results not on personal opinions like the worth of an item.

I"ll just estimate the regular price for those. With some common sense, surely people should be able to estimate the regular gear price range. It is just like you take the exam and there are still some open questions that the judge has to make a call. It is unnecessary to have the exact price. Right now, I am less worry about the judgement of the winner, since it looks like hardly any DH could do it like other classes. Maybe whoever completed this could be a sole winner. :D
Edited by caiqian#1669 on 6/15/2013 5:55 AM PDT
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BTW, I have 2000 hours of D3 play and have good relationship with a top 5 DH and someone knowledgable like Cameo, so I am sure the gear price estimate would be reasonable.
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If you take an exam and there are still open questions a judge/teacher doesn't make a call. An open question is an incomplete or a fail. What would they judge you on? Your inability to answer or the careful thought you put into not answering the question?

since it looks like hardly any DH could do it like other classes.


other classes? How can any of the other classes possibly compete in a RF build challenge?

BTW, I have 2000 hours of D3 play and have good relationship with a top 5 DH and someone knowledgable like Cameo, so I am sure the gear price estimate would be reasonable.


While I'm sure your friends would try to be fair the problem is with the word estimate and using it in a challenge/competition.
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I would love for someone to give me an estimate on my gear just for fun lol I haven't kept track of what I've paid and I'm too lazy to do my own estimate.

Although I don't have anything to record and I don't feel like paying for Fraps. Guess I'm not committed enough.
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Thanks for submitting such an interesting and varied challenge. The problem is that while rapid fire is a great skill, it has major weaknesses, such as desecrator+fast burning guardians or act2 KW, that are obviously not shown when people post their builds and videos.

I am currently optimizing my strafe/RF DH to do all the challenges with one gear and skill set. Yeah, I don't consider gear swapping to be acceptable. I hope to find some time this weekend to record the results!
Edited by celegans#1280 on 6/15/2013 7:52 AM PDT
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If you take an exam and there are still open questions a judge/teacher doesn't make a call. An open question is an incomplete or a fail. What would they judge you on? Your inability to answer or the careful thought you put into not answering the question?.

Why this is so difficult to understand? If you take a singing competition, judges are still going to use the knowledge to give you a score which it is all subjective. It is all about the best efforts and it is art rather than strict science.


other classes? How can any of the other classes possibly compete in a RF build challenge?.


Why been so picky? :D. It is all about the other classes use their mainstream build could complete those. Barb can complete those use just the HoTA build; monk could complete those use cookie cutter etc.
Edited by caiqian#1669 on 6/15/2013 8:40 AM PDT
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Thanks for submitting such an interesting and varied challenge. The problem is that while rapid fire is a great skill, it has major weaknesses, such as desecrator+fast burning guardians or act2 KW, that are obviously not shown when people post their builds and videos.

I am currently optimizing my strafe/RF DH to do all the challenges with one gear and skill set. Yeah, I don't consider gear swapping to be acceptable. I hope to find some time this weekend to record the results!

That would be great. Looking forwards to it. I am sure other people would just be happy to see your show even though you swap gears. :D
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Mmh, I think the hardest one to do a No Death run would unquestionningly be Act 4. -75% healing assassin demons, Shielding angels dashing from offscreen and half the map casting Meteo for 9999 dmg >_<. I hate Act 4. I can MP10 pretty much everything, but if i run Plans runs for my friends, it's MP8. I do like seeing my friends die in multiple hilarious ways, though!

I think I'd run the gear I have on my DH currently, and the build would be the same, bar for SS - Lingering Fog replacing Vault. No SS means MP10 Belial immediately becomes a monstrous endeavor. Since I'm at the 2.01+ Breakpoint for RF Fire Support, Disc generation is really not an issue.

Now, the question is - is me using Bola Shot, Echoing Blast and Rapid Fire on the same build cheating?
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Thanks for submitting such an interesting and varied challenge. The problem is that while rapid fire is a great skill, it has major weaknesses, such as desecrator+fast burning guardians or act2 KW, that are obviously not shown when people post their builds and videos.

I am currently optimizing my strafe/RF DH to do all the challenges with one gear and skill set. Yeah, I don't consider gear swapping to be acceptable. I hope to find some time this weekend to record the results!

That would be great. Looking forwards to it. I am sure other people would just be happy to see your show even though you swap gears. :D


Using Strafe / Rapid Fire build and no gear swapping:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#cSghRV!Xfe!ccYZZZ

MP10 Belial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7cm6B8z7g

MP10 Dahlgur Oasis (5 elites) + Keywarden:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4UngPZUYE

I intentionally did this with the same build and same gear. If you switch from a rapid fire SOJ to a strafe SOJ, act2 keywarden is much faster. Also, scoundrel was dismissed prior to the oasis run because his missiles (buriza) tend to get reflected and freeze you.

Equipment:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/celegans-1280/hero/30387016
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Mmh, I think the hardest one to do a No Death run would unquestionningly be Act 4. -75% healing assassin demons, Shielding angels dashing from offscreen and half the map casting Meteo for 9999 dmg >_<. I hate Act 4. I can MP10 pretty much everything, but if i run Plans runs for my friends, it's MP8. I do like seeing my friends die in multiple hilarious ways, though!

I think I'd run the gear I have on my DH currently, and the build would be the same, bar for SS - Lingering Fog replacing Vault. No SS means MP10 Belial immediately becomes a monstrous endeavor. Since I'm at the 2.01+ Breakpoint for RF Fire Support, Disc generation is really not an issue.

Now, the question is - is me using Bola Shot, Echoing Blast and Rapid Fire on the same build cheating?

That is fine as long as you will use RF most of the time.
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Great work, celegans and you are like the last hope for DH! :D It certainly look like we have a winner while I still encourage you to complete the rest of the challenges when you have some time. Then, I'd like to announce the winner starting next month.
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Act 2 key run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPnifp0i24c&feature=youtu.be
Build and items are same as the one on my profile.
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I added gameplay videos demonstrating typical key runs in all acts. The difficulty on MP10 Act4 is out of control. I just wanted to say thank you to caiqian for sponsoring such an interesting and varied challenge and encouraging us to push the limits with DH. Enjoy!

MP10 Act1 elites + keywarden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3N8ECs_r40

MP10 Act2 elites + keywarden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4UngPZUYE

MP10 Belial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7cm6B8z7g

MP10 Act3 elites + keywarden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMP4qk452dU

MP10 Act4 elites + keywarden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkqY8-8pfos
Edited by celegans#1280 on 6/19/2013 7:05 AM PDT
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Man, you are awesome, celegans.
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Belial- http://youtu.be/JO9wznL_29U
Edited by GodIike#1571 on 6/20/2013 3:58 AM PDT
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Thanks, but I'm just an average player who refuses to give up on my DH. :) I'm just happy to show that with the right set up and a little practice, MP10 can be a blast to play for DH without requiring godly gear.
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06/20/2013 03:31 AMPosted by GodIike
Belial- http://youtu.be/JO9wznL_29U


Nice video. Using both rapid fire with fire support (best single target DPS skill) and spike trap / bola tank build (for clearing out mobs) is a good combination indeed.
Edited by celegans#1280 on 6/20/2013 1:09 PM PDT
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Belial and Sokahr.. I overlapped a tune to the video's audio. It's all normal speed and up to 1080p res. I might add an act 4 key run sometime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSjIefOzfqg
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Name those musical tunes.. I know they're pretty commercial but kind of hybrid. My act 4 key run, took 7 packs before meeting the kw (edited video, but no death). I do my legendary hunt on act 4 and 3 only. I'm a mobile/range tank, it's my personal playstyle and how I enjoy playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6-VHvw91Z8
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