Diablo® III

Team Sharks - the distribution

OK, so the challenge, brought to our community by noble Morpheus, has begun:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/9245174963

This thread is to discuss skills and gear choices and options for Skorn users (Team Sharks) in the contest.

The Sharks team consists of:
Aleas
Kluno
Vyktoria
L1keaboss
Leit

Great guys who help Team Sharks with machines and friendly support:

Llama
Eribuss
fullpronto

THE GEAR:

1. Spreadsheet - none exists.
2. Blueprint - Team ToT's contest gear - http://postimg.org/image/ulf0e7imj/
3. Gear cost: 991,328,106 gold.
4. Gear pics with prices - pending, Kluno will post them in a bit.
5. AH logs - pending, Kluno will post them in a bit.

THOUGHT PROCESS
1. Basic concepts - just enough ehp to survive mp10 ubers with a bit of comfort, as much damage as we can get, no need 24 ms - 12 is enough, reach crit and ias bps to maintain wotb comfrotably, get much crit damage as most hotas are crits, building dps and ehp with secondary stats on priority (ias, crit, ar, etc) to get most benefit from gaining str/vit via paragon lvling.

2. Breakpoints at lowest paragon levels: 50k+ hp, close to 500 ar, 5k+ armor, about 200k dps with soj, and as much phys res as we could possibly get. I used ToT's set crit chance (31.5%) as a goal, which was a mistake, should have aimed for about 33% crit. I wanted 42 ias bp from gear, but ended up at 44-45.

3. Stat allocation on slots is similar to team ToT's gear.

On the weekend when gold was due to be handed i returned to the city, got gold from Morpheus, and bought all the gear we needed during the weekend, except for skorn and our current soj - these were bought later by kluno. I should give kluno credit for his help with shopping - he was great at sniping very good gear for very low prices, thanks kluno!
Edited by Aleas#1169 on 7/20/2013 8:50 PM PDT
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Here is the old set and prices. I like the old set, it get enough attack speed. What I want to improve is to increase the eph a little bit, I feel it was a bit lower last time.

http://postimg.org/image/ulf0e7imj/

Update with AH purchase and price and stats:

Gear

http://i.imgur.com/LNFpY6Q.jpg

Ah logs

http://i.imgur.com/r4rNOSs.jpg

Stats between DW and Skorn:

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-F6P9G
Edited by kluno#1661 on 7/6/2013 5:42 AM PDT
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Hi Team Shark! Despite my open support for team DW, i still wish you all good luck :D

May you give your all and win or lose with honour, without regrets.
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Hope you guys all gave this a good read:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/9344334725?page=1

As for gear a couple things to focus on. Get physical resistance anywhere you can't afford to get the all resistance. And I'm not sure where you got that set from but that is NOT the set sliverfire put together. Anwin has updated and the gear showing there is his own gear and not that from our challenge.

I was able to grab some screens while combing through our Team thread.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/gear2ju.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/sojn.jpg/
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7519/skornw.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/geartd.jpg/

Please disregard all of what is listed in the OP.

Also we only went with getting 12% move speed since it's not very important for soloing ubers the extra 12% MS was a luxury we did not indulge in.
Edited by Death#1408 on 6/25/2013 7:29 AM PDT
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Death, the picture I show it has all the item you listed with the price same as yours. I get the picture from the last competition when it show the total price for each one. This just easy to see what we need to get.

http://postimg.org/image/ulf0e7imj/
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Here is the old set and prices. I like the old set, it get enough attack speed. What I want to improve is to increase the eph a little bit, I feel it was a bit lower last time.

http://postimg.org/image/ulf0e7imj/

Death and myself (to an even higher degree) are both normally geared pretty EHP-centric. For this contest though, we were shooting to get just enough to survive comfortably, and get the highest DPS (in reality, not sheet) possible. Bear in mind that we stacked physical resistance heavily as he said, so the set was better against ubers than it'd appear on paper.

IMHO, this is part of the mistake that team DW made last time around. Their set was a pleasure to use, very hard to die in it, but the HP it had was overkill for a contest. They could've achieved much higher DPS if they had dropped some. You'd normally never see me favoring DPS heavily over EHP, but for the purposes of a contest, the best kill times are all that matter, and you theoretically have as many tries as you want.

We overpaid on the witching hour, and they are worth even less now. You can match the one we had for 160m for probably 30-50m now, but finding one with phys res might take time. I think we overpaid on the Skorn a little too, but with time constraints you won't achieve perfection. Switched the lacunis to slightly cheaper ones with phys res at the last minute, ones with vitality might also be an option.

1.42 APS unbuffed/1.67 APS buffed with 12% MS is likely going to be the way to go. Cramming Inna's into this budget without losing both DPS and EHP is going to be difficult.
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Yeah, the 12% movespeed was a good choice by team skorn last time. You can get so much better EHP on the pants without going Inna's, and when you're on a budget this allows for more emphasis on dps elsewhere.
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Well, I feel not enough EHP is because I keep dying last time when using the set on just MP8 uber, of course that is probably because I am pushing hard to get the fastest time. Also I am not as good as you guys at uber killing. So I am concern that mp10 uber with similar gear this time, I will probably not able to survive.
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Technique is very important. Death and Joch put up better times that were likely over a minute or even two than what 99% of barbs likely could with the same gear, but anyone can do the same with enough practice.

We had already put AR in every armor slot except for the gloves and belt, both of which its very cost prohibitive to have it in, and had phys res anyways. Jewelry is even worse, ring still had phys res. Going past 500 AR takes a massive toll on DPS, even with big budgets. Stacking too much vitality also directly decreases the amount of DPS you could be getting with strength.

So in short, the key to winning is to get by with as little EHP as possible, which will take practice. Of course, the balance of DPS and EHP you'll have in your gearset is up to you.
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I think that's a good point.

kluno and aleas are both capable players but obviously not of the same standard as yet as you guys. They have tried the sets on the PTR in Death's giveaway. Our other two players are unknown quantities and may be more or less capable and so this probably needs to be factor in also.

So should they go for the same set and try to train up? Or go the safe route and aim for more EHP?
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The player is the easiest bottleneck to fix. This is something that I've grudgingly accepted with my own gearing due to Death's prodding. You can only gear yourself into easy-mode so much until it starts really getting in the way of your damage output and progression. I've already given up my 9% LS...next step is to give up my litany...it will be a scary but necessary one.

The contest gear already had 700 physical resistance. In fact, there were only 3 pieces that weren't contributing to phys res. 1 being the Skorn, the second being the SoJ, both of which are impossible to put it on, and the third being the amulet which instead had 300 armor. Going much higher than that is extremely difficult with practical gearing, and is unnecessary. More HP might have been nice, but is also very difficult to stack on this budget, being right around 60k. Even most high-end gearsets have trouble hitting those marks without using a teeming necklace or strong crafted rares.

We're here to help and there are plenty of resources in the form of guides and videos. This is called a challenge for a reason. My own gear was pretty similar to the contest set the first time I soloed the ubers on MP10, even used the blackthornes set and an IK helm back then. Similar HP and AR, but quite a bit less DPS. One weekend I spent an hour wiping on MP8 before asking a friend to bail me out, the next, after watching some videos, I soloed them on MP10. At a point, as you surely know as well as anyone, technique can help much more than gear can.
Edited by silverfire#1855 on 6/25/2013 1:55 PM PDT
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@silverfire
Thank you for wise words.

No small part of the challenge will be building a set for lower paragon guys to kill ubers somewhat comfortably.

I love Innas, they give good damage/ms and are ias slot. But my feeling is that innas are way too glassy for ls skorn + wh setup. Not enough budget to build sufficient ehp on other pieces. Blackthorne 2pc (ehp), or IK+rare pants (damage) are the way to go. I consider IK+rare because there are many nice rare trifecta gloves in ah, can get some crit damage.
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@ Morpheus
Im going off to country, will be back in 3 days (28th or 29th). No internet there :(
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What are you guys thinking about for the target HP/AR/DPS to be? I saw the picture up there with the prices for the pieces....which looks like some good stuff but I don't know what that translates to. If I know what you're targeting, I'll be able to provide more input on if I think we should do higher/lower.

....in the end, a set that will allow me to complete the challenge is a good set, obviously. I probably share a similar view about wanting more EHP, but as long as the EHP we're given is doable without much hassle, I think I'd be okay. I haven't solo'd ubers before with my barb so I don't know what a good target ehp/dps for me would be.
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Hi Vyktoria and the Sharks

Below in Death's post is the gearset that silverfire put together for the original challenge.

I also suggest you read Death's thread on how to solo the Ubers and watch his videos. They will give you a much better understanding of how this is done effectively.

And this is the original Team Skorn discussion, also an important read for you.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8517452751
Edited by Morpheus#6524 on 6/26/2013 1:58 PM PDT
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@ Morpheus that is NOT the set Sliverfire put together.

This is:
http://postimg.org/image/ulf0e7imj/

I highly suggest you guys stop using that mess on D3UP as a guidline to build around.
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To be accurate, I switched the chest and bracers at the last minute, so this was the final set:

http://imageshack.us/f/21/gearqa.png/

@silverfire
Thank you for wise words.

No small part of the challenge will be building a set for lower paragon guys to kill ubers somewhat comfortably.

I love Innas, they give good damage/ms and are ias slot. But my feeling is that innas are way too glassy for ls skorn + wh setup. Not enough budget to build sufficient ehp on other pieces. Blackthorne 2pc (ehp), or IK+rare pants (damage) are the way to go. I consider IK+rare because there are many nice rare trifecta gloves in ah, can get some crit damage.

Pick one out of witching hour and inna's.

Rare gloves are nice these days. We went with IK's for the melee reduction and because IK chests were a little cost prohibitive at the time. They are probably a little more viable now.
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This is what Anwin make for the skorn set last time:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An2AYAEhjBp1dDJJU1FFam9HY0lEOGlvdXJkR1NjOVE#gid=0
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@ kluno

The team set is actually on the document created by Silverfire. That would be a much better reference.
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Why does that set say "Team DP Gear and Costs?" lol
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