Diablo® III

Tyreal's Might is awesome. (must read thread)

tldr
drop excess IAS (no lacuni/inna) build huge EHP in those slots keep 24% movespeed and build around Tyreals, unity, and zuni SoS as your elite bonus dmg for the win. vs demon elites, you double your bonus as you get the bonus from tyreals might and all your elite dmg redux. same dmg as SoJ vs certain elites without gimping a slot, while cutting all negative side effects for obtaining 24% movespeed on a wd while only losing a vit roll on your chest to be made up by crafted bracers/rare or bt pants.

i've been saying it on wiz boards (and you can check my wizard to see my elite setup there) and now i'm bringing it over to WD boards.

tyreal's might is the BiS chest piece for almost every class especially if you farm act 2/3/4 like me (i rarely touch act1 unless i run HoA which is alotta demons so thats fun)

but tbh

14% elite dmg while maintaining balance is pretty rad
you guys should try it out
just helped a dude build a nice TM set.

;) free's up you pants/bracers so we all run 24%now too.

<3

GL and buy them TM's before i buy all the good ones :P

oh obviously if you run skorn you can't run TM :) so i'm not talking to skorn players!

DPS 382,599.11
DPS vs Elites 433,751.08
DPS vs Demons 475,608.95
DPS vs Elite+Demon 514,325.88
DPS vs Demons 475,608.95

pretty nice numbers tho for only 214k sheet base
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 8:26 PM PDT
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Nice idea and I really wish it were the case - but w/ WD giving up Zuni Marrow is not a good idea.

Too many set bonuses to give up.

Cheers!
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Nice idea and I really wish it were the case - but w/ WD giving up Zuni Marrow is not a good idea.

Too many set bonuses to give up.

Cheers!


for 1h/mojo you can get benefit of 14% minimum bonus to elite dmg to even 40%+ if you run SoJ instead of unity while maintaining the zuni set bonus. that's a little too much to just not chase it ;)

that beats out any 1h/mojo combo for edps. you're literally only losing vitality and armor from the zuni chest, while getting 12% movespeed (so you can use crafted instead of gimpcuni AND you save an IAS slot to keep IAS low), and you can use rare/bt pants instead of inna's (same reason as not using gimp-cuni prowlers :P) while getting more elite dmg + more dmg to whites.

zuni chest market been cheating us the whole time lol there are so many pros it's crazy these chests are so cheap.

i'm glad tho cuz i got 2 perfect ones out of this market :D
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 6:42 PM PDT
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I've always liked that chest -- but not with Skorn. Certainly a possibility for 1H players.
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All elites are demons? How are you getting 14%?

On Tyrael's might is says +4% damage to elites? Not 14? There aren't really that many demons in the various acts either, so the 15% is really spotty.

How are you getting more damage to whites?

Example

Zuni Chest: 190 Int 3 Sockets
Tyraels: 190 Int 3 Sockets 4% Elites 15% Demons

Therefore you are only gaining 4% to elites, and 15% when a demon comes along, which is not much. Is this not correct?
Edited by James1v12#1875 on 6/25/2013 7:09 PM PDT
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I've hoarded these LOL.....
Secrets out now. Time to start selling soon,
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elite bonus from mojo + unity + TM
= 6+ 4+ 4 = 14%

I like the idea..... think outside the box
good idea!

I have seen a 400k barb wearing one of these and was going try this out...
but you did it first ... lol...
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RAiN-1828/hero/26473369

All elites are demons? How are you getting 14%?

On Tyrael's might is says +4% damage to elites? Not 14? There aren't really that many demons in the various acts either, so the 15% is really spotty.

How are you getting more damage to whites?

Example

Zuni Chest: 190 Int 3 Sockets
Tyraels: 190 Int 3 Sockets 4% Elites 15% Demons

Therefore you are only gaining 4% to elites, and 15% when a demon comes along, which is not much. Is this not correct?
Edited by Luffy#1946 on 6/25/2013 7:32 PM PDT
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DPS 395,317.63
DPS vs Elites 448,170.01
DPS vs Demons 491,419.34
DPS vs Elite+Demon 531,423.31
DPS vs Demons 491,419.34

@ 223k base sheet dps lol (using my other BT pants)

seriously
this is the best idea ive ever had lol

btw as far as not many demons in acts
almost all of dalghur oasis is
black canyon mines
road to alcarnus
most of the event bosses in a2 (purps)
sewers has em
deso sands like 25%
etc.
realize this though
by using this chest you AREN'T losing dmg OR ar. you are losing a Vitality roll at the MOST which can be made up in other areas because you don't NEED inna's (terrible idea because IAS anyway) OR lacunis (same as inna) for the extra movespeed. you can now have the bonus of 24% movespeed, while only losing some vitality that you can make up for with double vit blackthorns if you want to make it all up in one slot. heck there are 300+vit bts for cheap on the GAH.

this opens up so many gearing options
and reopens crafting for me personally :)

im not trying to sell you on it, just trying to help you see it for what it is, a best in slot item for witch doctors especially because you are getting rid of attack speed on gimp-ehp items and replacing them with EHP monster items, then bonus dmg to certain monsters and double dmg bonus on DEMON ELITES (50% ELITES IN A2, PROB 80% ELITES IN A3, 100% ELITES IN A4), and you do all this while maintaining your zuni 4 pc bonus and getting MORE elite bonus dmg in this slot??

dang, that's a good deal for a CHEAP (not for long) chest.
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 7:42 PM PDT
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@battletag
omg... ur build....LOL

I tried a 54% crit chance skorn build using 2 pieces nata (ring + boots)
this way I could only keep zuni pox and chest ; but I used VoG for mana gen instead...

I've hoarded these LOL.....
Secrets out now. Time to start selling soon,
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06/25/2013 06:40 PMPosted by lameboi
i'm glad tho cuz i got 2 perfect ones out of this market :D


You mean the two with 200 Int and 3 sockets...1 for 2bil the other for 775mil. Seems like a post that is fishing for a sale to me.

The chest is not worth it imo.

Chest is one of the biggest EHP items. I lose 10k life and .3% defense. Not worth it.
Edited by rockon87#1616 on 6/25/2013 7:47 PM PDT
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i'm glad tho cuz i got 2 perfect ones out of this market :D


You mean the two with 200 Int and 3 sockets...1 for 2bil the other for 775mil. Seems like a post that is fishing for a sale to me.

The chest is not worth it imo.

Chest is one of the biggest EHP items. I lose 10k life and .3% defense. Not worth it.


no
my 2 good tms are on my characters
dunno whos out here flipping

but if i came up to you and said
hey i can drop all the excess IAS from your WD while giving you more bonus to certain and elites and even certain uber bosses than an SOJ and you won't lose any sheet DPS but actually more tDPS vs 50% of this games mobs, and you won't hurt your EHP either because you get to use crafted bracers and rare pants/bt pants.. oh and as a little cherry on top here's 24% movespeed. nah you don't lose EHP anywhere and you also actually get to max your avg dmg rolls by not using a gimp soj.

so here's the setup with zero downsides
you can draw your own conclusions ;)

edit

oh ya
AND you keep your zuni 4 piece which gives you more elite dmg bonus and mana regen (bonus regen on the sos)
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 8:06 PM PDT
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DPS 400,645.57
DPS vs Elites 454,210.28
DPS vs Demons 511,824.71
DPS vs Elite+Demon 550,525.22
DPS vs Demons 511,824.71

changed my chest over from my wiz :D beastmode
got a new zuni SoS too (6%/13%sb/some health globe bonus:D)
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 8:14 PM PDT
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So what you're saying.

Drop my "excess IAS" as you call it (no such thing if you know what your doing)
Find a super nice SoS (which are already hard enough to find)
Take off my SoJ which at max buffs gives me 218k more damage vs elites
DPS 648,707.55
DPS vs Elites 866,024.58

Plus Max mana (which is amazing for moving when running CoB) and reduction to a skill

for what?

The chance times you run across demons and 12% Move speed that does almost nothing to farm times?
Less HP
Less Armor

No TY
Edited by rockon87#1616 on 6/25/2013 8:23 PM PDT
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So what you're saying.

Drop my "excess IAS" as you call it (no such thing if you know what your doing)
Find a super nice SoS (which are already hard enough to find)
Take off my SoJ which at max buffs gives me 218k more damage vs elites
DPS 648,707.55
DPS vs Elites 866,024.58

Plus Max mana (which is amazing for moving when running CoB) and reduction to a skill

for what?

The chance times you run across demons and 12% Move speed that does almost nothing to farm times?
Less HP
Less Armor

No TY


read my below comment. here are our numbers with identical specs. tell me if i'm wrong now. ;)

it's okay, i know i'm not. <3 btw, i have more HP/mit than you in my gear set and more sheet dps, AND edps vs elites/most mobs in the game. with 24% movespeed. without mana problems, ever. ;)
Edited by lameboi#1117 on 6/25/2013 8:33 PM PDT
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here are my numbers in your spec smart guy

see why it's good yet?

DPS 711,237.77
DPS vs Elites 806,327.42
DPS vs Demons 908,606.26
DPS vs Elite+Demon 977,308.52
DPS vs Demons 908,606.26
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Ok what numbers are you throwing out there?

Every buff possible?

Lets keep things simple and just used unbuffed for heavens sake.
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WD STATS

BASE DPS 319,046.82

DPS vs Elites 331,808.69
DPS vs Demons 407,582.31
DPS vs Elite+Demon 416,802.76
DPS vs Demons 407,582.31
Attacks per Second 1.31
+% Attack Speed 31%
Critical Hit Chance 47%
Critical Hit Damage 548%
MH Weapon Damage 243,547.19

I still have other gear that tinkers with the numbers. I like my Maximus.
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Alright - It's a really cool idea, but the numbers don't add up.

I just went to D3up.com and changed my zuni marrow out for an equal in intell tyrael's might, and my inna's pants out for the best rare pants I could find on the AH (150 int 250 vit 600 armor 70 AR 2 OS). Here are the results (unbuffed DPS)

DPS Before: 318k DPS After 298k
DPS Elites: 328k DPS Elites 319k

EHP Before: 480k EHP After 453k

Yes, I a part of that DPS loss is the 9% attack speed off my inna's pants, but frankly I don't have mana issues with COB so lost attack speed IS lost DPS for me

Not to mention lower EHP.

Go Tyrael's if you want to switch it up, or farm Act IV exclusively (or other select areas) but you really have to settle down a bit about this Tyrael's madness :)
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DPS 711,237.77
DPS vs Elites 806,327.42
DPS vs Demons 908,606.26
DPS vs Elite+Demon 977,308.52
DPS vs Demons 908,606.26

buffed

base

DPS 226,685.35
DPS vs Elites 256,992.28
DPS vs Demons 289,590.54
DPS vs Elite+Demon 311,487.29
DPS vs Demons 289,590.54

:D
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WD STATS

BASE DPS 319,046.82

DPS vs Elites 331,808.69
DPS vs Demons 407,582.31
DPS vs Elite+Demon 416,802.76
DPS vs Demons 407,582.31
Attacks per Second 1.31
+% Attack Speed 31%
Critical Hit Chance 47%
Critical Hit Damage 548%
MH Weapon Damage 243,547.19

I still have other gear that tinkers with the numbers. I like my Maximus.


you are beast dude. :) that gear combo is pretty crazy i just wish you didn't ditch 4 piece!!! <3

but yea we show two totally diff ways to make tyreal's might to really shine.
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