Diablo® III

Florida law makes RMAH illegal?

90 Gnome Priest
9890
According to Bill CS/HB 155 in FL electronic gabling devices are illegal. Now one doesn't think of Diablo 3 being a gambling but due to the bills poor use of words it seems that it does. Line 181 of the bill states what a 'Slot Machine' is defined as. If you continue to line 193 I'm not allowed to make money from anything that has the 'Chance' factor. Well D3 is all about chance, and since you can get real money from that chance factor I would also assume this breaks the law there.

Bill: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF

Whats your thoughts on this?
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Who gives a damn about Florida.

Or D3 for that matter.
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Then ban all IP from Florida from using RMAH and see if that'll help XD I mean.. come on..

Let's say you are playing League of Legends.. resides in Florida.. and entered a Tournament that if you win, you'll get some money.

Would that also be against the law since it can be considered as a GAMBLE?

You're gambling your CHANCE to win on a tournament.
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Then ban all IP from Florida from using RMAH and see if that'll help XD I mean.. come on..

Let's say you are playing League of Legends.. resides in Florida.. and entered a Tournament that if you win, you'll get some money.

Would that also be against the law since it can be considered as a GAMBLE?

You're gambling your CHANCE to win on a tournament.


No that would be considered like poker a game of skill. There is no random chance involved in a LoL match.
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I would have to agree with shreloche, LoL is skill not chance like Diablo.
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The only "chance" factor that comes into play is the chance that you will get a drop in-game that is worthy of putting up for auction on the rmah. Once (and if) you find that item the chance factor has ended. What you are doing on the ah is "selling" an item that, for lack of a better term, you own. It would be no different than those old men using a metal detector and finding a ring or something at the beach and then selling that ring on Ebay. Now, with that said, if it wasn't an auction scenario with a starting bid and/or a buyout then it might get a little tricky. For instance, if the situation were set up so that you take that gg max stat Skorn you just found...submit it to Blizzards "gambling house" and there were say 3 possible outcomes: nothing happens, you get your item back...someone grabs your item and you get nothing...someone grabs your item but you get some cash.
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And there is no inherent gamble involved in D3 either. You are not wagering anything to start with. You're taking lines of the bill(law?) out of context and trying to apply them to a game where there is no wagering.
Edited by shreloche#1427 on 7/11/2013 6:11 AM PDT
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According to Bill CS/HB 155 in FL electronic gabling devices are illegal. Now one doesn't think of Diablo 3 being a gambling but due to the bills poor use of words it seems that it does. Line 181 of the bill states what a 'Slot Machine' is defined as. If you continue to line 193 I'm not allowed to make money from anything that has the 'Chance' factor. Well D3 is all about chance, and since you can get real money from that chance factor I would also assume this breaks the law there.

Bill: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF

Whats your thoughts on this?


sorry but d3 auctions are not a chance item the either have it and can post it or you do not. and if it sells you get the money it is not a random chance that you might get it. the chance of finding an item is not a part of selling it.

and besides you are not buying the item anyways blizzard owns all items you are simply paying usage rights on said item.
Edited by Bloggins#1399 on 7/11/2013 6:11 AM PDT
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I live in Florida too and it is being brought up that the wording of the law actually makes all PCs and smartphones illegal because you could use them to connect to online poker or anything like that.

Just shows the true genius of trying to fix everything with laws.
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I live in Florida too and it is being brought up that the wording of the law actually makes all PCs and smartphones illegal because you could use them to connect to online poker or anything like that.

Just shows the true genius of trying to fix everything with laws.


No...you can't. The federal govt made it illegal to fund any online gambling accounts thereby effectively shutting down all online gambling in online casinos/poker rooms for the time being.

Not to mention just because you could connect to an online casino does not make your computer an online casino. Anyone making this argument that is a complete idiot.
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Skip all the red tape, loopholes, poorly stated statements, and just stick with the basic facts....you live in Florida playing a game on a server in California, EU, or Asia, so unless your server is in Florida by some odd chance, and Blizzard moved to Florida, then you might consider your petty laws. On another note, I take it no one in Florida plays the stock market? (pretty sure there's a lot of "chance" there too lol) No one in Florida ever started their own business there? (pretty sure that's a "chance" taken on possibly making a profit too!) Anything else you want to take out of context? lol.
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@ Bloggins

Your talking about the right for someone to use an item.. This is not about the person buy thing item from me, its about me getting money for selling that item.

I go kill Monster A, It drops a nice legendary sword. That drop was a drop chance, it was not determined. Many posts from blizzards have shown how the randomization works, go look them up. I now take that sword and sell it on the RMAH. That sword now sells for $4 on the RMAH. Since I had no control over having that sword drop for me, that would be a random chance, and now that I sold that sword, I recieved actual currency for item into my account, which now breaks that law.

Now if I read the law correctly, if I was to buy that sword from the RMAH, and then later resell it I am fine. This is due to not being randomly given to Me. I specifically went out, bought what I wanted, and then later turned around and sold it.
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wrong.

selling unids on the RMAH would be illegal (by your definition)
you arent gambling when you buy something on the rmah, you know what it is.

general discussion, where everyone is an expert and too stupid to realize they arent
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You aren't gambling by purchasing a virtual product from someone.
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Actually that law makes pretty much every electronic device that accesses the Internet illegal ... and there are already lawsuits filed to challenge the law from business sectors all over the place.

I'm pretty sure RMAH is about #412,321,547 on the list of concerns.
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