Diablo® III

THE RESULT- esp if you are new to sns/cm wiz.

Ok. Tonight I tested almost every single possible combo in game unbuffed from 2.73, 3.01, 3.34 to 55cc to 63.5cc to zuni set (pox/boots) to nat set (ring/boots) to 1100LOH to 2200LOH to 240k dps to 350kdps to inna pants to bt pants to rare pants to chanto will/os to chanto will/ias - all at descent ~88-90% mit., 50+ hp.

Testing ground was core to azn in mp10 and no follower. and I'm a mempo/cc wearer.

You can take a look at the stats from the pic below:
http://i.imgur.com/Z8WzPvX.jpg
340k dps, 2.81bp, 56.5ccm 1293LOH

http://i.imgur.com/ncwMGGx.jpg
323k dps, 2.80bp, 56.5, 1745LOH

http://i.imgur.com/Q7PJfPT.jpg
2.98k dps, 2.79bp, 64cc, 1798LOH

http://i.imgur.com/HG64NMY.jpg
318k dps, 2.79bp, 64cc, 1346LOH

http://i.imgur.com/e12pV6v.jpg
351k dps, 3.10bp, 56cc, 1127LOH

http://i.imgur.com/oeYFryh.jpg
309k dps, 3.20bp, 55cc, 1127LOH

http://i.imgur.com/quorrdP.jpg
265k dps, 3.19bp, 63cc, 1734LOH

http://i.imgur.com/Xk3cNEd.jpg
267k dps, 3.19bp, 61cc. 1568LOH

http://i.imgur.com/WURHBxO.jpg
267k dps, 3.35bp, 62cc, 1568LOH

http://i.imgur.com/s4GyOWZ.jpg
249kdps, 3.19bp, 61cc, 2020LOH

Killing 3 elites then azn, the time ranged from 4min to 5:50min (some elite gg wizzes are going to say that's slow, esp those who are sword/sc users) with either 0-1 death/run. Relatively no kiting in all sets - tanked all.
__________________________________________
What I found:
1. Zuni set is overrated.
2. Nat set is underrated.
3. More LOH, better sustainability with greater than 1500 LOH is good.
4. edps is better than sheet dps.
5. higher bp of 3.01 or better.
6. higher cc of 60 or better.
7. Inna pants can work very well.
8. Mit is not as important as LOH as we all die either way.

Every starting out wiz to mid range to semi high ranged wizzes:
Nat set is must (7cc bonus is gg). LOH is better than dps and mit (get LOH in every single slot). Ias will is better than os will (surprisingly higher bp is better than higher cd with os).

"ias will gives synergy" - Charlatan

Discretion: This was my playing preference.

TL:DR
http://i.imgur.com/WURHBxO.jpg
267k dps, 3.35bp, 62cc, 1568LOH
is my favorite so far...
Edited by yodatoy#1838 on 7/22/2013 9:32 PM PDT
Reply Quote
Posts: 5,376
View profile
but u didnt test non-existant gg daggers :)
Reply Quote
07/22/2013 09:32 PMPosted by SteelPhantom
but u didnt test non-existant gg daggers :)


got rid of dagger set up a long time ago. unless you have void's type of dagger, not even worth becoming a dagger wiz imo.
Reply Quote
1. Zuni set is overrated.
2. Nat set is underrated.
3. More LOH, better sustainability with greater than 1500 LOH is good.
4. edps is better than sheet dps.
5. higher bp of 3.01 or better.
6. higher cc of 60 or better.
7. Inna pants can work very well.
8. Mit is not as important as LOH as we all die either way.


I am a Nat Wielding Sword CM Wizard with Lower Mit High Sustain and High EDPS with more then 60cc. I should fit in Innas to re enforce your findings lol
Reply Quote
No SOJ/ICE setup?

Nat is nice for boss/vota/solo act1 farm.

Nat is good for group vota bone chill.

However In groups with a cyclone monk zun starts pulling ahead with a black weapon. However I have wicked wind crit on weapon so my experience might be different. You should be able to see the diminishing returns of nat with deep freeze in high density.

My goal is to get a 9AIS tri ammy so then i can run zun boot, soj, unity with the 2.14286BP.
Reply Quote
YES, always nat set with high LOH for the go.

Lol, nice job Yoda.

my only problem with 3.01 setup is that I have to use my ias wand and dps drops below 270k.

Right now I am just enjoying my 300k nat setup, have to admit that after playing wd to paragon 100, got really rusty on cm skills , lol
Reply Quote
I'm enjoying 3.01 as well but unfortunately the 40K damage drop is quite noticeable. Always a tradeoff I suppose.
Reply Quote
so what your trying to say yoda is that its best to have high attack speed with high LoH?
Reply Quote
Yoda. I share your sentiments. I tried running with between 800-1700 LoH at between 88-89% TDR at 2.74 and 200ms. I dont do 3.01 because of the latency though I have tried with a "fast" chant too.

My thoughts are in line with yours. This is my personal conclusion:

1. TDR is great but 1% isnt that great a deal. As a CM/WW your priority is not to let damage dealt through arcane+pools>LoH recovery on 1 single target. If you can achieve this, TDR isnt a great deal of important here. 1 target is important because when you face Elite mobs with my low DPS, more often than not, the Elite is left standing long after the "minions" are dead. In 95% of the other times when you kill trash mobs, the 1500 LoH is way over over overkill.

2. TDR is extremely important still for not getting 1-2 shot. I hate dying. What kills me instantly is firewalls, fallen maniacs, 2 arcane beams, 1 arcane beam + pool, exploding molten elites, poison wasp hits and of course those exploding poison trees from frields of slaughter.

3. My personal sweet spot (with my limited budget) is 2.74, 750-800 AR, 4200-4500 Armor, 1300 LoH and Teleport. If I could I would run with a higher DPS but unfortunately...
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 12:37 AMPosted by daddy
TDR is extremely important still for not getting 1-2 shot


its actually not.
that is just EHP

in fact as a result of chasing Mitigation, EHP is slightly deflated for most CMWW

i.e. 80AR usually adds less EHP then 12% life
Edited by Comrade#6924 on 7/23/2013 12:53 AM PDT
Reply Quote
I actually spoke to Comrade yesterday in game who proposed that 2.51 with Ls, >60cc and >250k DPS will work roughly as well as 2.74. Any thoughts? I worked out some gearing for this build but it still costs an arm and a leg no matter how I cut it. I might be better off with my low LoH and Mit configuration now
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 12:46 AMPosted by Comrade
TDR is extremely important still for not getting 1-2 shot


its actually not.
that is just EHP

in fact as a result of chasing Mitigation, EHP is slightly deflated for most CMWW

i.e. 80AR usually adds less EHP then 12% life


great scott! your right!

I missed that out. Maybe I should drop 80AR on my gear for 100 vit somewhere. I need to check D3up for that.
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 12:57 AMPosted by daddy
drop 80AR on my gear


drop all the optional armor rolls first

something i am always recommending
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 12:59 AMPosted by Comrade
drop 80AR on my gear


drop all the optional armor rolls first

something i am always recommending


optional armor rolls meaning those + armor and go for +vit?

Hmm. What kind of armor can I be running away with. I used to run with 5.5k armor. Haha
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 01:05 AMPosted by daddy
I used to run with 5.5k armor.


from observation, most end up 4k + - 200 for 88 mitigation which is normal

5500 usually means you have too many armor rolls on your gear which could be AR
Reply Quote
07/23/2013 01:11 AMPosted by Comrade
I used to run with 5.5k armor.


from observation, most end up 4k + - 200 for 88 mitigation which is normal

5500 usually means you have too many armor rolls on your gear which could be AR


Haha. I used the armor rolls instead of dmg rolls. My Dps was closer to 100k :)

Well, thats the fun of gearing. Trade offs and cost.
Reply Quote
Excellent job man, thanks for ur contribution ! : )
Reply Quote
@juicehouse, well I tested 340k dps Zuni set at 2.73 vs 270k dps at 3.34. Trade off of almost 70k. Playing wise 3.34 feels better, smoother and kill time was almost the same, may be better but the big difference is survivability and sustainability.
Reply Quote
Actually yoda, how at 2.74 would you recommend a higher mit or just go for higher LoH and and vit combo and tank it out. Is there an ideal LoH per breakpoint and EHP for effectiveness?
Reply Quote
@daddy, you still have to have certain mit. Otherwise you will die but most of us can achieve around 88% mit then go higher LOH, higher vita with compromised dps.

Hard to chase dps like Void, Boozor, Kiza and all those guys. I gave up on chasing dps. and I know LS is good at high DPS and kill fast but if you don't have an appropriate mit, then you will die fast too.

Most of us can afford chant set. Just get mempo/cc, ias will, nat set, est 3.01 bp with high cc and high LOH. don't worry too much about dps. 300K or 240K dps...for me difference was negligible from my test. Actually, it felt better at higher bp. Plus, your teleport is constantly ready too.

what I found was that around 250k dps at 3.01 or higher is better than chasing 300k dps + at 2.73.

I am always going to end by saying, "that's me and my preference".
Reply Quote

Please report any Code of Conduct violations, including:

Threats of violence. We take these seriously and will alert the proper authorities.

Posts containing personal information about other players. This includes physical addresses, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and inappropriate photos and/or videos.

Harassing or discriminatory language. This will not be tolerated.

Forums Code of Conduct

Report Post # written by

Reason
Explain (256 characters max)

Reported!

[Close]