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Ok. Tonight I tested almost every single possible combo in game unbuffed from 2.73, 3.01, 3.34 to 55cc to 63.5cc to zuni set (pox/boots) to nat set (ring/boots) to 1100LOH to 2200LOH to 240k dps to 350kdps to inna pants to bt pants to rare pants to chanto will/os to chanto will/ias - all at descent ~88-90% mit., 50+ hp.
Testing ground was core to azn in mp10 and no follower. and I'm a mempo/cc wearer.
You can take a look at the stats from the pic below:
340k dps, 2.81bp, 56.5ccm 1293LOH
323k dps, 2.80bp, 56.5, 1745LOH
2.98k dps, 2.79bp, 64cc, 1798LOH
318k dps, 2.79bp, 64cc, 1346LOH
351k dps, 3.10bp, 56cc, 1127LOH
309k dps, 3.20bp, 55cc, 1127LOH
265k dps, 3.19bp, 63cc, 1734LOH
267k dps, 3.19bp, 61cc. 1568LOH
267k dps, 3.35bp, 62cc, 1568LOH
249kdps, 3.19bp, 61cc, 2020LOH
Killing 3 elites then azn, the time ranged from 4min to 5:50min (some elite gg wizzes are going to say that's slow, esp those who are sword/sc users) with either 0-1 death/run. Relatively no kiting in all sets - tanked all.
What I found:
1. Zuni set is overrated.
2. Nat set is underrated.
3. More LOH, better sustainability with greater than 1500 LOH is good.
4. edps is better than sheet dps.
5. higher bp of 3.01 or better.
6. higher cc of 60 or better.
7. Inna pants can work very well.
8. Mit is not as important as LOH as we all die either way.
Every starting out wiz to mid range to semi high ranged wizzes:
Nat set is must (7cc bonus is gg). LOH is better than dps and mit (get LOH in every single slot). Ias will is better than os will (surprisingly higher bp is better than higher cd with os).
"ias will gives synergy" - Charlatan
Discretion: This was my playing preference.
267k dps, 3.35bp, 62cc, 1568LOH
is my favorite so far...
Edited by yodatoy#1838 on 7/22/2013 9:32 PM PDT
1. Zuni set is overrated.
I am a Nat Wielding Sword CM Wizard with Lower Mit High Sustain and High EDPS with more then 60cc. I should fit in Innas to re enforce your findings lol
No SOJ/ICE setup?
Nat is nice for boss/vota/solo act1 farm.
Nat is good for group vota bone chill.
However In groups with a cyclone monk zun starts pulling ahead with a black weapon. However I have wicked wind crit on weapon so my experience might be different. You should be able to see the diminishing returns of nat with deep freeze in high density.
My goal is to get a 9AIS tri ammy so then i can run zun boot, soj, unity with the 2.14286BP.
YES, always nat set with high LOH for the go.
Lol, nice job Yoda.
my only problem with 3.01 setup is that I have to use my ias wand and dps drops below 270k.
Right now I am just enjoying my 300k nat setup, have to admit that after playing wd to paragon 100, got really rusty on cm skills , lol
Yoda. I share your sentiments. I tried running with between 800-1700 LoH at between 88-89% TDR at 2.74 and 200ms. I dont do 3.01 because of the latency though I have tried with a "fast" chant too.
My thoughts are in line with yours. This is my personal conclusion:
1. TDR is great but 1% isnt that great a deal. As a CM/WW your priority is not to let damage dealt through arcane+pools>LoH recovery on 1 single target. If you can achieve this, TDR isnt a great deal of important here. 1 target is important because when you face Elite mobs with my low DPS, more often than not, the Elite is left standing long after the "minions" are dead. In 95% of the other times when you kill trash mobs, the 1500 LoH is way over over overkill.
2. TDR is extremely important still for not getting 1-2 shot. I hate dying. What kills me instantly is firewalls, fallen maniacs, 2 arcane beams, 1 arcane beam + pool, exploding molten elites, poison wasp hits and of course those exploding poison trees from frields of slaughter.
3. My personal sweet spot (with my limited budget) is 2.74, 750-800 AR, 4200-4500 Armor, 1300 LoH and Teleport. If I could I would run with a higher DPS but unfortunately...
its actually not.
that is just EHP
in fact as a result of chasing Mitigation, EHP is slightly deflated for most CMWW
i.e. 80AR usually adds less EHP then 12% life
Edited by Comrade#6924 on 7/23/2013 12:53 AM PDT
I actually spoke to Comrade yesterday in game who proposed that 2.51 with Ls, >60cc and >250k DPS will work roughly as well as 2.74. Any thoughts? I worked out some gearing for this build but it still costs an arm and a leg no matter how I cut it. I might be better off with my low LoH and Mit configuration now
great scott! your right!
I missed that out. Maybe I should drop 80AR on my gear for 100 vit somewhere. I need to check D3up for that.
optional armor rolls meaning those + armor and go for +vit?
Hmm. What kind of armor can I be running away with. I used to run with 5.5k armor. Haha
Haha. I used the armor rolls instead of dmg rolls. My Dps was closer to 100k :)
Well, thats the fun of gearing. Trade offs and cost.
@juicehouse, well I tested 340k dps Zuni set at 2.73 vs 270k dps at 3.34. Trade off of almost 70k. Playing wise 3.34 feels better, smoother and kill time was almost the same, may be better but the big difference is survivability and sustainability.
@daddy, you still have to have certain mit. Otherwise you will die but most of us can achieve around 88% mit then go higher LOH, higher vita with compromised dps.
Hard to chase dps like Void, Boozor, Kiza and all those guys. I gave up on chasing dps. and I know LS is good at high DPS and kill fast but if you don't have an appropriate mit, then you will die fast too.
Most of us can afford chant set. Just get mempo/cc, ias will, nat set, est 3.01 bp with high cc and high LOH. don't worry too much about dps. 300K or 240K dps...for me difference was negligible from my test. Actually, it felt better at higher bp. Plus, your teleport is constantly ready too.
what I found was that around 250k dps at 3.01 or higher is better than chasing 300k dps + at 2.73.
I am always going to end by saying, "that's me and my preference".
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